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At 7:31 AM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 9:09 AM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous A Fish Stinks from the Head said...

I read that over 100,000 posts have been made on FODU. It's a lot to keep up with. I started thinking this morning that had Brodhead and Duke Admin. handled things differently,perhaps there would have been half an many posts here. They really can't "control" Nifong, but they certainly can control themselves.

Had Brodhead acted intelligently, calmly and with humanity, folks would not be so upset. Had he made a strong statement that the 3 lax players had been excellent students academically and athletically and that there was nothing in their history at Duke that resembled this, That they were part of the Duke family and they and their parents deserve our support, compassion and respect as they go on this difficult legal journey people would not be upset.

I woke up this morning thinking of this old Italian Idiom. I can't write it in Italian, but in English it is "A FISH STINKS FROM THE HEAD". Anyone know what that means? It means if a fish stinks it starts from the head. If you need to get rid of the fish stink from your store, refigerator, table or home you have to get rid of it and get another. That is what Duke must do and soon. Brodhead can not recover from his actions. Duke existed before Brodhead and will survive afterwards. But the stench from Brodhead will be there until a new lead is installed.

I am sorry I can't post my name, but my Friends will know who I am.

 
At 12:22 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The crime the lacrosse boys committed was being white.

If the accuser could not see who attacked her from behind nor be able to identify them, how would she know what ethnicity they were? Maybe a Trinity Park neighbor came in through a side door? ( lol) The fact that the sole black lacrosse player was immediately ruled out and no one else was ruled out speaks to the idea that from the get-go, this hoax was meant to be one to pit white against black. (And, it did succeed in its mission.)

I have a question:were there any women at the party besides the two strippers? This might sound silly, but when they flashed a photo of the party on the screen during the 60 Minute Broadcast, I thought I saw a black camisole top with spaghetti straps of someone in the audience. It was so quick that maybe my eyes deceived me. Does anyone else recall that?

Of course, I hope that Nyfong does not get elected. But, the sad part is that this is not a fair fight. One side plays by the rules; the other doesn't. When you are dealing with scoundrels, you can't reason with them. Nyfong is a crook. And all who still support him must be crooks,too, including a large part of Duke's faculty. Sad.

 
At 12:33 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the law is used correctly, then the law is a beautiful thing. In Nifong's case, he has twisted and perverted the law and turned it into something ugly and not at all how it was intended to be used. Nifong is vile.

 
At 1:06 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous CHIN said...

Saying is:

Man can fool man, but cannot fool God!

 
At 2:16 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that this is Parent's Weekend. Someone should contact Professor Baldwin in person and let him know how much everyone applauds his courage in speaking out- and that the bloggers "have his back." If he has any fallout from his letter to the Chronicle, I hope F.I.R.E. will go to bat for him. Fortuanately, K.C. writes for that organization frequently, so he's aware of it.
Texas Mom

 
At 2:18 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was no other women but Precious and Nikki.
The black camisole or whatever you think you saw is an optical illusion. It's a player sitting on the sofa.

 
At 2:32 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sent an email to Baldwin's critic pointing out that "tarring and feathering", unlike lynching, did not have a racial connotation. I included some links describing the phrase's history. I sent a copy of it to Prof. Baldwin and he thanked me in reply. I replied to his thanking him for his courage.

 
At 2:33 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous duke09parent said...

P.S. to above: I sent the email Tuesday and to date have not had a reply from the critic.

 
At 2:50 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brodhead should be tarred and feathered!

 
At 3:09 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A39241

Indyweek.com. Note Quote by Butch Williams. Nifong was NEW to the situation? I thought he was a prosescutor with 27 years of experience???

We're sticking with the endorsement we made for the April primary: Mike Nifong. Butch Williams, a defense lawyer representing an unindicted lacrosse player, stated it well: "It seems to be unfortunate that the man is being judged for a lifetime job on one set of facts," he told The N&O. "We don't have a school to tell you how to handle crisis situations, and he was very new to the situation at the time. It caused a tremendous amount of criticism, but it shouldn't take away from 27 years of public service."

 
At 3:40 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does Butch Williams realize what his very public endorsement says about the Lacrosse case?

It legitimizes it. It says it's really NOT abuse of power, prosecutorial misconduct, or any of those BIG things. NOT really. Vote for Nifong. He's good.

Nifong, Williams is telling us, is a man worthy of being elected Prosecutor. So all the stuff the defense alleges must be, well..defense spin. Because you can't have it both ways.

He gives the lie to his client and the three accused.

He demeans those who are paying him.
What a Judas.

 
At 3:59 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous duke09parent said...

Re Mr. Williams comments: If it was just the public statements Nifong made I could dismiss it as inexperience with a hot media issue case. The defense lawyers press conferences permitted under the rules counteracted them. But on top of that Nifong's violation of other fair prosecutorial practices--failure to listen to or look at defendant's exculpatory evidence and the egregious violations of photo array procedures are the most obvious--condemn him.

Other topic--I was looking to see if Prof. Robyn Wiegman, who criticized Prof. Baldwin's use of tar and feather, was one of the Group of 88. I read again Houston Baker's letter of 3/29 and Provost Lange's rebuke of 4/3. Baker must have already had his deal at Vanderbilt in place to publish such a letter. Here's a small excerpt from Baker's:

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The lacrosse team - 15 of whom have faced misdemeanor charges for drunken misbehavior in the past three years - may well feel they can claim innocence and sport their disgraced jerseys on campus, safe under the cover of silent whiteness. But where is the black woman who their violence and raucous witness injured for life? Will she ever sleep well again? And when will the others assaulted by racist epithets while passing 610 Buchanan ever forget that dark moment brought on them by a group of drunken Duke boys? Young, white, violent, drunken men among us - implicitly boasted by our athletic directors and administrators - have injured lives. There is scarcely any shame more egregious than one that wraps itself in the pious sentimentalism of liberal rhetoric as though such a wrap really constituted moral and ethical action.
Duke University's higher administration has engaged in precisely such a tepid and pious legalism with respect to the disaster of recent days: the actual harm to the body, soul, mind, and spirit of black women who were in the company of Duke University lacrosse team members as far as any of us know.
************

Of course, we now know the answer to Baker's rhetorical question of where the accuseer was--shaking her naked ass on stage again. That letter and Lange's rebuke can be found in a link under Links to Media on this site.

 
At 4:07 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:40 I posted linked the comment prior to you about the Williams quote. As I said in another post, I think Nifong might have been telling the truth when his said some attorneys wish that their clients were indicted. Perhaps he was referring to one attorney he knew well.

 
At 4:42 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since Brodhead is an expert on English, why has he not weighed in on the etymology of the expression to be "tarred and feathered?" Surely, he could shed some literary insight on the matter.

As to Butch Williams, he must be feeling tremendous pressure from his race and his party to get in line behind Nyfong. Which boy is it Williams is representing?

Will there be any news groups at the KC Johnson panel discussion tonight at Duke?

 
At 5:05 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous WJD said...

Anyone who wishes to read this can, but read at your own risk. This is the worst comparison I have ever seen written comparing the Duke case with the Tawana Brawley case. This is obviously written by a disgruntled and disbarred attorney. Here is the link. http://www.amsterdamnews.com/News/article/article.asp?NewsID=73530&sID=34

 
At 5:12 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:42 It's Dan Flannery. It costs a lot of money to change attorneys and start over. I wonder if the family is aware of Butch's loyalties?

 
At 9:18 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

I have found that the disbar Nifong site is up and running. The link is:

http://www.disbarnifong.com

Go and check it out. They even give a link to our site and many others.

 
At 9:45 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous TBN said...

The Butch William's quote appeared in the N&O back in JULY- it's not a new endorsement, just made to look that way. Possibly he has changed his mind since then, or this is just another seamy side of how business is done in the Durham courthouse. Don't believe his views represent those of his former clients!

 
At 9:49 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the poster who linked that vile Amsternam News article about Tawana Brawley. If anyone wants to read a logical, intelligent description of the Tawana Brawley case, I suggestion William Anderson's article at

http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson134.html

For those who don't know about Tawana, she had been punished by her mother for skipping school and made up this story to see her boyfriend. A neighbor saw her cover herself with feces and jump into a garbage can. She claimed a police officer and ADA raped her along with others. The ADA, Steven Pagones was permitted to go before a grand jury to defend himself and they determined the case had no merit. Mattox lost his law license. Sharpton and Jesse were involved. Tawana and her mother fleed to VA. Mattox and company compared the Attorney General Abrams, a jew, to Hitler and Gov. Cuomo to the KKK. That is why you haven't heard from Jesse and Sharpton in the Duke case. Sharpton has never been able to live his involvement in the Tawana hoax down.

 
At 10:40 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean Sue was there tonight when KC Johnson and Steve Miller spoke very disparagingly of Brodhead's handling of the Duke case at the ACLU panel discussion. She sat in the back and slipped out when the Q&A got underway.

I think Prof. Baldwin was there too.

 
At 11:38 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those on this board who haven't read Johnsville's post tonite "Obsession"

You are in for a rockin good laugh
(a rare event in this saga)

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/

Let's see Chafe, Wiegman, Starn (oops, no, he didn't actually sign did he), Baker, Baker, Baker, Eversm Chance...

 
At 9:24 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2006/10/27/Columns/Duke-Supports.Voter.Registration-2406770.shtml?norewrite200610270844&sourcedomain=www.dukechronicle.com

Duke supports voter registration

Guest column

John Burness
Posted:
10/27/06

 
At 9:53 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

is it possible that mike nyfong is mentally ill?

 
At 10:01 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From today's Herald Sun:

"I might be better off if I wasn't DA," Nifong acknowledged. "It certainly would be less stressful.

Come on Durham voters, let's help Mike out!

 
At 1:39 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

Nifong will hand over 2,00 more pages of documents and 3 DVD's. This comes from the heraldsun yesterday and they go to court today.

http://www.heraldsun.com/tools/printerfreindly.cfm?StoryID

When does the press get to know about what Nifong is to hand over before the lawyers even receive it?

Sorry I forgot we are talking about Durham, N.C.

 
At 1:51 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is quite possible that Nifong has illusions of grandeur, i.e., the little Neopoleon of Durham Cty. Like Neopoleon, he meets his Waterloo Nov. 7.

 
At 1:51 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is quite possible that Nifong has illusions of grandeur, i.e., the little Neopoleon of Durham Cty. Like Neopoleon, he meets his Waterloo Nov. 7.

 
At 1:55 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

in adding to my earlier post Nifong yelled out in court "Then report me to the state bar, if he is accusing me of not telling the truth." Nifong fired back.

I think we should take him up on that.

That is in the N&O Nifong says he didn't talk to accuser.

 
At 2:09 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nifong is quoted in today's HS that character is what you are, reputation is what people say you are. In his case, you can't tell where one begins and the other ends. He is completely deserving of the bad reputation he has made for himself not only in Durham, but nationally.

 
At 2:39 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the Burness comment:
Didn't Monks people hand out flyers in the stadium?

Also, I believe that it is some sort of violation of federal law for an educational institution which receives federal funds (Duke, certainly fits into that category) to discourage students from registering to vote. It may be along the lines of "must encourage" (affirmatively act), so Burness HAD BETTER say that Duke encourages its students to vote.

Someone familiar with the statute, please correct me.
Texas Mom

 
At 3:03 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Monk's people did hand out flyers in the stadium and if Burness is telling the truth, then that too should have been a violation of the Athletic Dept. policy. The Administration has stepped in it again and don't know how to get their collective feet out.

 
At 4:25 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear FODU:

Who was it that censored Professor Baldwin on using the idiom "tarred and feathered?" For some reason, I recall the name Robyn Wiegman. Is she the professor who criticized his use of the expression? I googled her name and found that she writes papers mostly on white/black issues and lesbian topics. Was she one of the 88?

 
At 5:24 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So we learned today that Nifong has not looked into the lying eyes of the accused and asked the hard, direct questions, he has not looked at any evidence presented by the defense nor interviewed the three accused yet he has gone to the press with 50 plus interviews and press conferences, demonstrated the choke hold, suggested condoms, date rape drugs, etc. and he has the gaul to now in court own up to never interviewing the accuser and a judge sits by and says nothing. How can it be? This is monkey business and I mean real "monkey business".

 
At 5:59 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So we learned today that Nifong has not looked into the lying eyes of the accused and asked the hard, direct questions, he has not looked at any evidence presented by the defense nor interviewed the three accused

Do you have to do those things before you indict in N. Carolina?

There is not even a right to a speedy trial there. (In California, the trial must start within 60 days of the indictment.)

 
At 6:33 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone else noticed that Joe Neff at the News and Observer is markedly absent lately? Maybe he'll weigh in after the hearing today. If not, I suspect he's been muzzled.
Texas Mom

 
At 8:56 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indeed Neff has fallen off the planet. Perhaps he and Cash Michaels are on vacation together until the gathering storm blows over.

 
At 6:49 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neff has returned to the planet, with a bang.
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/503820.html

 
At 6:52 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neff has resurfaced with some interesting info. It's quite a read.
Video may aid players defense

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/503820.html

 
At 8:11 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone see the link on CBS. The ex manager of the strip club is interviewed by Ed. Bradley. Says Precious danced on March 25th same as she had done for three months. Said she looked fine. BTV, I believe 3/25 was the same night as the vigil.

 
At 8:14 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ma...tml?id=2134726n

Sorry this is the link to the above interview. Thanks to Liestoppers open discussion board.

 
At 9:11 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hallelujiah! Neff parachuted in!!! His article is in the Houston Chronicle as well- first section (towards the back, but I'll take anything) with a large bold headline.
Texas Mom

 
At 9:24 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another article :

http://americandaily.com/article/16232

Where is the Attorney General of North Carolina? Does he not have a duty to ensure that all state's actors are behaving in accordance with applicable laws and rules of court of North Carolina?

Where is the North Carolina Bar Association? This is cause for public outrage. One does not try a case until facts are ascertained.

That the North Carolina Bar Association has not yet taken decisive disciplinary action strongly suggests that the legal system in North Carolina is corrupt beyond belief.

 
At 9:26 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if you're in a letter-writing mood, you might also want to pen a page to

Garry Frank
Davidson Couny
PO Box 1854
Lexington, NC 27293-1854

He's the President of the NC District Attorneys Conference. (sorry, no email)

Those cards and letters count, folks; 100 of them will do wonders, and now is the time to keep the pressure on.

 
At 9:52 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It certainly appears that the accuser was narcotics shopping and the notes by some of the attending hospital personnel would indicate they suspected it.

 
At 9:54 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A letter to Mrs Nifong this morning:


To Mrs Nifong of Telemarketing fame:

While your esteemed husband and Bob Ashley over at the H-S have been running their non-stop vigilante campaign instead of doing their jobs, the News&Observer simply did journalism and solved the case.

In a devastingly but definitive ending of any doubt about the accuser's motives, Joe Neff and Ben Niolet relate the facts of Crystal Mangum's attempts to get narcotics from doctors at two different hospitals over the month following the incident.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/503820.html

Just so you know, _anyone_ (be they a black sex worker or a malicious middle-aged DA) who complains of 10 out of 10 pain to their doctor and shows no obvious signs of discomfort is lying.

And the vast majority of time they are lying to get narcotics to feed a habit or to sell on the street.

They keep coming until they are denied drugs....and then you never see them again. (We won't be surprised if we find that she then visited other physicians with 10 out of 10 pain)

Mrs. Nifong, precisely how stupid is your husband?

 
At 10:05 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NC attorney general :

Attorney General
9001 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-9001
Telephone: 919-716-6400 • Fax: 919-716-6750

contact form at (scroll down) :

http://www.ncdoj.com/default_contactus_form.jsp?sectionid=ag&subsectionid=general

Governor Easley :

Governor Michael F. Easley
Office of the Governor
20301 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-0301

Fax: (919)715-3175 or (919)733-2120

contact form at :

http://www.governor.state.nc.us/email.asp?to=1

(While the "address" and "phone number" fields are required, all that is really required is that 'something' be entered into that box, not necessarily an entire address (other than city), etc.

 
At 10:16 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This has _never_ been reported in any national media. I wonder why?

UAlbany rape suspect appears in court

 
At 10:45 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

I spoke to a Mr.Comen in the AG's office last month when I filed my complaint. He told me that the AG did not want to get involved at that time.

Now I think they would rethink their position with Nifongs outburst in court yesterday.

 
At 10:47 AM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can a university stand by and hear these incredible details coming out of yesterday's hearing and act as though business is usual. Do they not collectively stand for something? Maybe truth, honor, justice, integrity? Their collective silence is the worse possible example to set if an insitution wants to graduate students who are truly engaged in the world around them. What a lesson is "what not to be".

 
At 12:49 PM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He told me that the AG did not want to get involved at that time.

Rubbish. How long would he have waited to get involved if the colors were reversed, and three AA players were being blatantly railroaded, with the KKK in town threatening their lives?

There is a dual standard at work here.

 
At 1:31 PM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ruth, Your Silence is Sickening

Ruth. You Know.

We know you know.

Whatever happened in the DA’s Office had gone terribly bad, you know who was involved. Many down at the Newsobserver do, same with Ashley’s rag, the Herald-Sun.

And you need to come forward and tell the public.

Do not be afraid of retribution by the Nifong or your fellow reporters. Do not be persuaded that somehow this "happened" and they were all lied to, just a mistake.
What the stripper said was false, a Hoax– she wasn’t raped, sodomized, beaten and strangled – Nifong knew this was a Hoax; he created it with the Accuser. And 3 lives were ruined.

This seems an elementary statement now, I know.

But I can see the loyal reporters sitting around convincing themselves that it would be disloyal to turn on their fellow reporters -- why, the reporting was just a little "over the top." In real life, they are good gals. They call their mothers once a week. They share notes with each other. They attend church.

On this case, they were just a little too rushed, a little too "worked up." It was a scene straight out of “Citizen Kane”. Indicative of the NY Inquirer.

Cpl Addison said it was a “wall of solidarity”. Local cub reporters Khanna and Dopart repeated it. It became a national story, a “Wall of Silence” mostly because of you! That was just ... a mistake. Ditto "It wasn't the greatest job," She was already stripping again at a local club as you wrote that column. Har, har.

After all, it was a once in a lifetime story.. you could use your pain…your colleagues made the same “mistake” too. You accused all 46 players with your column…on what proof? You didn’t even check did you? Didn’t it seem a little strange? It was a prideful day to see that column picked up by the wire services! . “Khanna, Dopart, and Sheehan” each got their 5-10-30 minutes of Fame. You ignited the firestorm...How many e-mails & calls of congratulations did you get?

And the players? They were...rich white Duke male athletes, for Pete's sake.

I can see the rest of the press & you going down this path, justifying your silence. And it makes me sick.

Because, of all the occupational hazards that must come with being a reporter, one of them should be to try to tell the truth, nothing but the truth. It’s the one promise you make as a journalist with the public. And no, never report anything without fact checking and investigating… Oh by the way… I heard they have this thing called a retraction, and an apology…

Unfortunately, you got caught and every one of the reporters who spread those lies did to. The truth will come out. I sense your collective fear.

I see it in the reference to the "Bloggers" that your Editor abhorred the other day at Duke. Oh…they never have to tell the truth!

I sense it in the "dismay" expressed by Melanie Sill over the "situation" – we were just reporting what the Accuser, Nifong, & the Durham PD were telling us. It was a journalistic decision and we discussed it thoroughly.. we were trying to be “fair”.. we didn’t what to repeat her accusations against the other dancer…That’s for a Jury to decide.

But this wasn’t just one article. The implication, that this was one event, if true, is somehow a story that "got out of hand", is just plain wrong.

Spreading this Hoax is not part of a spectrum of behavior, the regrettable end game when deadlines & prejudice are ignited by shaking salacious stories and fanned into flames.

No. Repeating this Hoax is a serious situation. A very serious one.

Those who committed it are not "good reporters."

I don't know what happened on the sixth floor at the Durham Courthouse, in those “leaks” to the newsrooms over in Raleigh & Durham . Ultimately, that will be revealed in court as the true story of the Hoax is told. But we need to hear from you. Now! Those Guys are Suffering.. Their Families are Hurting.. and Nifong is still trying to put them away for decades over a crime you know wasn’t committed!

We shouldn't have to wait for a trial. We need to know why you & your fellow reporters repeated the lies of Nifong, the Accuser, the Police, and the protesters; aka Duke 88. You empowered Nifong… You must now expose him and his fellow lynch mob. He is trying to become a DA for more four years!

Every member of the press needs to make amends, whether it was just bad reporting or just an opportunity too good to pass up.

Until you come forward with the true story of the Hoax, Neff isn’t enough.

Ruth! Pull down the wall of silence!

marco2006

 
At 1:42 PM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before the General Topics section is moved on the 30th, I want to express my admiration and appreciation to the Duke students who have worked so tirelessly in the voter registration campaign. In addition, the hard work by the lacrosse team in the organization of the voter registration barbeque, the participation by numerous on campus organizations who are proudly wearing the "innocent bracelets" and those students who have written so eloquently in The Chronicle about the various issues surrounding this case. To each and every one of you our sincerest thanks for conducting yourselves with such class and showing the world that you are mature, intelligent, sensitive and caring and that you are standing for truth and justice. I know it makes a hugh impact on Reade, Collin and Dave. Again our gratitude and admiration. Go Blue Devils!

 
At 2:14 PM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the media pundits (Murphy, Grace and Co.) can go back to their knitting now that we know Nifong isn't sitting on undisclosed evidence. It's kind of hard to have hardcore evidence when you haven't interviewed the witness.

 
At 6:59 PM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As this board wraps up this weekend, a last flogging of the Duke 88 and praise of the blogosphere:

Some of you on this board might not know of the courage and high standards that blogger KC Johnson has already shown in his career before this phase.

Tenure battle

Likely because of this personal trauma, Johnson immediately recognized in the Duke case that it was the political agenda of Brodhead and the rest of leftist faculty thugs at Duke that gave Nifong the cover to perpetrate this hoax.

He already knew, as do I, that some of the least substantial and most morally contemptible human beings reside in the liberal arts departments of US colleges.

As we all now know, Duke had one of the worst infestations of these academic bullies on the planet.

Starting from the top.

In a very real sense Brodhead is a coauthor of the hoax (and I'm sure we will find as the full record is revealed that he was aware of the details of the case -and its patent absurdity- from the first days)

True, the racial dimensions of the case cannot be denied.

And as Nifong well knew, African American voters in Durham and beyond have a self-defeating propensity to respond to white liberal race-baiting by supporting the race-baiter(as white and black evangelical voters have a similar despicable Pavlovian tendency to support gay-baiting politicians)

But that is (at least) an honest response.

It was the white left ADMINISTRATORS at Duke like Dean Chafe and President Brodhead who _intentionally_ drove the injustice in this case.

As Prof Robyn Wiegman brags in her Chronicle letter this week, the Duke 88 deliberately set out to exploit this case for left-wing polemics, safe in the knowledge that Brodhead would support and applaud their vigilantism.

The defenders of Brodhead on this board are simply blind to his role in orchestating the faculty reaction from Day One.

This case will not end until the chages are dismissed (now highly likely) and Brodhead is gone from Duke.

If that doesn't happen, a repeat injustice at Duke will only be a matter of time.

 
At 8:35 PM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will never be a way to thank KC Johnson for the commitment he has shown to this case. His dedication and perserverance make him a true hero for the cause of justice not only in Durham, but universally. I hope the heavens shine brightly upon him and all of his work, both now and in the future.

 
At 10:19 PM, October 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following is from:

http://kitchencabinet.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_kitchencabinet_archive.html

In other news, I got an invitation in the mail today to attend some kind of dinner in DC at which Richard Brodhead and a panel will talk about "Duke's contribution to the world" or something like that. No mention of anything lacrosse-related.

A PR campaign is clearly well underway, but I doubt the administration will be able to change the subject as quickly as it would like.

Posted by Laurie Lin at
12:17 AM

 
At 12:50 AM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Outstanding Sunday roundup in Wonderland:

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/10/sunday-roundup.html

 
At 8:14 AM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Professor Plum said...

Greetings, all. Plum here. I have been in other climes and just read the first post in this sheet. I am sorry to see this communication board end. Registering to a new board, at least for me, would be like trying to teach that proverbial "old dog" a new trick. I am indeed an old dog.

Regardless of my no longer participating, I wish our three young men God's Blessings such that this dark piece of history shall end soon. Our three guys will soon be able to hold their heads high when this insane prosecutor is outed. Mr. Nifong wanted his name on the history books. Well, he will be there, indeed.

God Bless you, my unknown friends, and may peace be with you on your new board.

Plum

 
At 10:42 AM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not going to register for the new board either. In fact I would urge FODU to reconsider closing the open forum, and making posters to register for the board. There are other boards dedicted to the case that are active-why does FODU need to do this? I am simply stating the obvious-most people won't register, won't be able to post comments, and the FODU board will be a quiet if not dead place. Leave the open forum alone-that would be my suggestion, and allow people to post as they have been doing all this time.

 
At 11:36 AM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In H-S today, a Grant Farred, an associate professor of literature, wrote a piece called "Secret racism underlying lacrosse case." It's a piece of ---- all right.

Robinson O. Everett, a Duke law profesor also wrote a guest column. Mostly, he says he will be surprised if any of the accused are convicted.----DukeMom

 
At 12:41 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grant Farred is one of the infamous 88. Source:

http://crystalmess.blogspot.com/2006/09/dear-cowards.html

 
At 1:26 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just listened to an outstanding interview with KC Johnson on WBT radio in Charlotte. As a NC resident I am angered most at the cowardice of the Governor, Attorney General and the two prior judges in this case. I hope that any of you who post here will remember when these men come up for reelection or run for higher office that they were silent when the laws were being broken in Durham so that three innocent young men could be railroaded for a crime they did not commit. I personally will work tirelessly to see that none of these cowards hold office again.

 
At 2:37 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with several earlier posts that moving the General Topics will indeed make it harder to comment and interact with other interested site visitors. I hope that the Moderator will reconsider this move and understand how meaningful this site has been to all us who are moved to speak on behalf of the accused in this case.

 
At 2:42 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the above poster:
You might want to add former Senator Edwards and the two incumbant Senators, Dole and Burr, to the list of shamefully silent politicians. After the 60 Minutes expose the Republicans should have taken a stand. They shouldn't think that they don't have a dog in this fight, because this level of corruption is so prevasive that every NC politician is now culpable. "Innocent until proven innocent" is the foundation of our law.

 
At 5:57 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous WJD said...

I agree with others that moving to another board will ruin the entire FODU site. Please keep the current format.

 
At 6:18 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous joan collins said...

I too recommend the board stay as it currently exists. If we want to read daily commentaries we can all continue to read the wonderful blogs such as Durham in Wonderland, John in Carolina, Liestoppers, Crystal Mess, Johnsville, Talk left to name a few. The beauty of the FODU board is the personal touch as well the the opportnity for the posters to interact and share ideas. You really don't see that on the others boards. The family like feeling of the FODU board and its support of the 3 players is also the reason I choose FODU to post my Profiles in Courage. I believe this change will result in a drop in people using the FODU board. I will be very sad to see this board disappear.

 
At 6:25 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

durhamrepublicans.org has endorse Cheek!

 
At 6:31 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 2:42pm post - thanks for the addendum. You are absolutely correct. No one in a position of power or persuasion in this state can pretend they did not know what was going on in this case. It is a statewide disgrace and strikes at the core of corrupt politics. No wonder we have voter apathy. The Governor has presided over a very corrupt state government and he has his own problems currently regarding the sale of a large track of land in Caldwell County with the sellers just coincidentally make substantial contributions to his campaign fund. These people have no moral authority by which to repudiate anything Nifong has done.

 
At 6:34 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the sale of the Caldwell County property, it should be clarified that Gov. Easley approved the purchase by the State of NC of this large track of land. The sellers consequently were generous to him.

 
At 6:45 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Newsobserver's Sunday Forum - October 29, 2006

Write-in won't work

The writer of an Oct. 18 People's Forum letter questioned the intellectual capacity of those Durham County citizens who support a vote for candidate Lewis Cheek as district attorney. Perhaps she could put her superior intellectual abilities to the test and examine the statistics on write-in candidates. She'll find that write-ins have virtually no chance of succeeding. Her candidate [Steve Monks] can only be a spoiler in the effort to restore ethics to the office of district attorney and will forever damage himself and his party in the eyes of many voters.

The writer also says Monks is qualified. I would suggest Durham citizens look closely at his stated qualifications and compare them with the experience, knowledge and skills required of the office. I'd say his qualifications are lacking. The governor will have a long list of truly qualified candidates from which to choose [if Cheek, who says he will not serve, is elected].

Whitney Campbell
Bahama

 
At 8:27 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Lucky "D" said...

The old saying is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". This site ain't broke, so don't fix it by moving to another forum.

I believe I read some time back that someone wanted to address persons (even though fictional) instead of having to address a time of a previous post. Talk about the squeeky wheel getting the oil!!!!

Please don't destroy the strength you have built in this forum for the sake of pleasing one or two persons. I don't post anonymously, by the way.

 
At 8:27 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the link to a most disturbing article published in Herald Sun today -- written by an associate Duke literature professor Grant Farred. The author needs to check himself into a hospital and get treated for his condition!


Secret racism underlying lacrosse case

 
At 8:41 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Reverand William said...

I agree "if it ain't broke don't fix it. This is an easy site to post on, why make it harder for all? You are destroying a good thing. This is the site I get most of my Duke news from. If some want to use the new format it is up to them, but I went their and found it hard to use. Why can't you keep this board up??? I have posted anonymously before, but think that the board should stay up.

 
At 8:43 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there a link to the original "gang of 88" statement (or advertisement or whatever it was)?

 
At 8:59 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous CHIN said...

Saying is:

When family like food, not good to change cook.

 
At 10:23 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Grant Farred article in the Herald Sun is disturbing in so many ways that I can't even begin to categorize them right now.

In the meantime, I'll put in a plea to leave the board as is.

 
At 10:38 PM, October 29, 2006, Blogger Quasimodo said...

The Grant Farred article in the Herald Sun is disturbing in so many ways that I can't even begin to categorize them right now.

I agree.

And at the risk of repeating it for the umpteenth time, the commission looking into the team's behavior evidently disagreed, because they reported that while there had been some misconduct :

"None of the misconduct involved fighting, sexual assault or harassment, or racist slurs." There was no evidence "that the cohesiveness of this group is either racist or sexist."

The "current as well as former African-American members of the team have been extremely positive about the support the team provided them."

The lacrosse players' "behavior on trips is described as exemplary."

They are "respectful of people who serve the team, including bus drivers, airline personnel, trainers, the equipment manager, the team manager, and the groundskeeper."

They are polite, non-disruptive students who have "performed well academically."

 
At 11:39 PM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

After all the evidence now available, for this professor to have written this article chocked full of false statements is unforgiveable. The intent of this article is simply to fuel the racial flames in Durham before the election. There is free speech and then there is defamation of character. He should be fired. Period. I have simply had enough. Why does it come as no surprise that this article was published in the Herald-Sun?

 
At 12:12 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kim Roberts is going to be on GMA in the morning. The local ABC station is reporting she has bombshell info. that will be devastating to the prosecution.
Have no idea what she will say, just passing along the information.

 
At 5:34 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently there are more folks involved with this case that Nifong may not have spoke with

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2614634&page=1

She says she will go for a lie detector test, bet the AV won't

 
At 7:13 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous joan foster said...

Here is my point-by point reply to Farrad.

Secret racism underlying lacrosse case
by Grant Farred

The pervasive sense of unease about the Duke lacrosse affair remains. If only initially, the players and the university’s administration wanted the entire event to remain a secret That was impossible because it is the very nature of secrets to reveal themselves.

*****The players were cooperative from the beginning. What evidence is there that they "wanted the event to remain secret?" Misleading.


And the lacrosse affair came burdened with a public history. A history that includes the sexual past of the alleged victim as well as the criminal record of the Duke players – from the arrest and prosecution of lacrosse players from Washington D.C., to Durham to the lacrosse team’s reputed tendency toward arrogant sexual prowess. These proclivities are complicated by the neglected issue, that of ongoing racism in the not-so-New South.

*****Notice "sexual past" only is used toward the alleged victim, not "criminal" past. She actually is the convicted felon. You make this Lacrosse team sound like the Bloods or Crips with verbiage that suggests a national wide crime spree. "Arrogant sexual prowess"...can you justify with some facts?...and the use of the adjective "arrogant"...can you substaniate in regard to THESE THREE BOYS... do you just like it? Uh-oh,you leave subject of crimes leveled against boys to obfuscate on volatile racial topics. What a dodge.

The racist taunts by the lacrosse players on that infamous March night were nothing historically new. The vulnerability of black bodies now assumes a different guise, but its political realities remain unchanged, especially in this instance, as it applies to black and minority women. That is only a public secret, but an ongoing shame.

******Kim Roberts admitted she made the first "racist taunt." Author ignores. Kim Roberts admits NONE of the three Accused used any racial taunts. Note hyperbole, about" black bodies" Three white bodies may spent 30 years in jail for a crime they did not DO. DUH!

Why have the racial slurs and a player’s e-mail “promise” about killing and skinning “strippers b—s” been forgotten, and transgressions against Durhamites made victim to the relentless commitment to exonerating the three players? In casting the players as the aggrieved “victims,” as CBS’ “60 Minutes” did and the players, their attorneys and the PR machines continue to insist, what has been eliminated from discussion is a more serious issue. How is the lacrosse affair symptomatic of the political culture at Duke?

******Because the accused made no racial slurs. And you don't go to prison for thirty years, Mr. Crybaby, because your friend responded to a slur with a slur. Get some sense of balance please. That "skinning Strippers" E-mail is from a book STILL taught at Duke in the English department. Take your gripes to the Head of the English Dept.where evidentally you are employed. Oh, no! Hold everything.!.The "more serious" issue is "political culture at Duke?" Than a false conviction for rape? What planet do you live on?!

Why is there not a more urgent sense on the university campus about March 200^? Why has it not precipitated a more profound educational, political, and intellectual crisis? If the gravity of the situation did register, how is it possible that the team could be reinstated despite its criminal history? How could an athletic director’s response to the affair suggest that this was simply a matter of “boys being boys,” by which he really means that historic white privilege should go unimpeded, and perhaps even punished?

******What criminal history? Mr. Hyperbole, get a grip on yourself! Does "White privilege" mean spending 30 years in jail for something you didn't do? This is ALL about your agenda , isn't it?


This tendency is made all the more troubling by a recent political campaign on the Duke campus. Mobilized through the proliferation of Blue Devil blue armbands, too visible on campus early in the fall semester, inscribed with the numbers of the three indicted players and the defiant proclamation, “Innocent” (in bold white), Duke University students are now said to be registering to vote in Durham in unprecedented numbers.

******You"re offended by armbands?

By transferring their registration from other places, by enfranchising themselves in Durham, these students’ only intention is to oust District Attorney Mike Nifong. This selective intervention amounts to nothing so much as the deliberate act of closing ranks against Durham. What Duke students becoming Durham citizens does is displace the problem of racism from the lacrosse team and the university to Durham’s political system.

******Ousting a corrupt Prosecutor is "closing ranks against Durham.?" Duke students are importing racism to Durham? You think a lot of your student body, don't you, Mr. Professor?


This is a historically ironic move, this drive to register “locally,” because Duke students are notorious in their disconnect from the “black” city of Durham. They ate here exercising their right to the franchise without any other sense of civic responsibility. The plan here is to not act in Durham or for the general good of Durham, but to act against the non-Duke Durham community. Can this intervention be motivated by anything other than naked self-interest?


******You don't think it is in the "general good" of Durham to remove a corrupt prosecutor who indicts before investigation? Prof. Coleman might disagree. Will you applaud that tactic WHEN, not IF... it is used against minorities in the future? Or do you believe in two systems of justice..based on race (such "Old South" thinking...you surprise me)) What is your "naked self-interest?'

The goal of these new, expedient and transient members of Durham’s political community is to repair the damage done to historic white male privilege by voting against a DA vigorous, perhaps even questionable, in his efforts to prosecute the “innocent.”


******We see the charged "buzz words." "Historic white male privilege" is a trump phrase....to shut down any dispute. It's to induce guilt to stifle debate. Won't work. If he's "questionable" , why shouldn't they vote against him? You prefer a "questionable" D./A.? Lord have mercy!

The “Innocent” campaign may be motivated by a keenly felt opposition to Nifong’s handling of the case, but it does little more than obscure what is really at stake. Why is the effort to remove Nifong from office not accompanied by a similar vigorous interrogation of those who spewed racial epithets? Why not a “No Racism” or “No Violence Against Women” armband?

*****What is" at stake". oh, deluded one, is the LIVES of three young men who may go to jail on a false charge. Listen to yourself! You want your agendas to trump that NOW. Get a priority will you? If this were your son, I think you would prefer to see me wearing an "Innocent" armband than one touting "Save the Whales." You sound like quite the whiner!

All of which, of course, begs the crucial question: What is it precisely that these three players, and the lacrosse team in general, are “innocent” of? Racism? Underage drinking? Hiring sex workers under a false name? Homophobia? The abdication of a collective team – what happened was not a “mistake” but part of an older and widely known pattern of lacrosse behavior – and larger institutional responsibility for declaring public what precisely it is that Duke University represents?


*******Do you READ? They are innocent of rape, kidnapping, assault..all that they are charged with. INNOCENT, you idiot! None of the "charges" you level carry thirty years in jail! They can and should be addressed but not till these boys are free! When a couple is carjacked by a violent criminal, they don't usually choose that occasion to thrash out martial problems, even crucial ones. Get my point? And are you implying these three boys should spend their lives in jail..because dolts like you are offended by "lacrosse behavior." I'm offended by your behavior in writing this!

The question needs to be answered. What does Duke stand against? At this moment, Duke university’s precise mission as a renowned institution of higher learning, one that touts its elevated international rankings, is the best kept secret in town.

*******What do YOU stand for? Convicting the innocent? The best kept secret in town is how Duke university has managed to degrade itself with professors who write such drivel as this! Duke parents, this writer is teaching and influencing your child for your $40,000 a year.

The write is an associate professor of literature at Duke University


The responder is just a MOM who believes in Collin, Reade and Dave.

 
At 7:24 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this mornings N&O Ruth Sheehan wrote that the people of Durham better think about what they are doing on election day.

Nifong is killing Durham N.C. for anyone who might want to send their child to school out there.

the article is

Turning the tide in Durham

 
At 7:29 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more plea not to change this venue for expressing ourselves! The new one is not as user friendly.--DUKEMOM

 
At 7:30 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kim exposes more of the hoax in an interview with Good Morning America--

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2614634&page=1

Oct. 30, 2006 — The second dancer in the Duke rape case has said for the first time that the accuser told her to "go ahead, put marks on me'' after the alleged attack.

 
At 7:33 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

Please don't move this board. I agree with about the now board is not friendly.

The link the N&O story that was posted above is

http://www.newsboserver.com/145/story/50445.html

 
At 7:36 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous joan foster said...

Good for Kim! The hoax is unraveling. The Gang of 88 will have to re-group! And they will! It's ALL about THEM.

 
At 7:54 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a normal jurisdiction, wouldn't the DA now rush to charge the False Accuser with making false claims of rape to the police? By this afternoon, at the latest?

 
At 8:25 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, in a "normal" jurisdiction.But Nifong understands what he owes this base.

Se this post at KCJohnson's blog for insight into some Nifong supporters point of view.


"Anonymous said...
you are a liar. the neighborhoods right around duke, especially trinity park are full of nifong sign right in the face of duke. most are in the east campus area. those are the neighborhoods that know firsthand what drunken assholes people like you have raised and inflicted on the people of durham. nifong is ahead in the poll because some people around here think he and gottleib are protecting durham citizens from the likes of your horribly behaved kids. keep on buying those t shirts. maybe you can use them to mop up all the tears all the duke parents will be shedding when nifong wins the election.

10:35 PM "

 
At 8:34 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Out Joe said...

Goodbye on our last day on this board. I hope for the best for the new forum but, I feel like it will be a skeleton crew. Once again, the few rule the many.

 
At 10:38 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes there is secret racism underlying the duke case- its black racism against 3 innocent whites who have done nothing except be white.

 
At 10:42 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Google in "Grant Farred" and read some of the rubbish this guy has written. I read a transcript of a TV broadcast with Juan Williams, and was amused and dismayed at Farred's inability to express himself cogently and logically. Every other word was "You know." His racism is readily apparent. I believe black racism is rampant and readily embraced at Duke. Why is this? Why does Duke condone black racism any more than it would white racism? Do the 88 want to improve race relations at Duke or exasperate them? Who are the dyed-in-the-wool racists and spewers of hate? The 88? Is this the latest Durham gang to terrorize the city?-- DUKEMOM

 
At 10:49 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous duke09parent said...

Perspectives from parents' weekend:

I did not go to the president's breakfast reception Sunday morning. My wife does not share my obsession with this case, so I could not prevail upon her to go. Someone else might be able to report on it.

I had a few conversations with parents and students about the case. People are clearly behind the lacrosse boys and hope the case is dismissed by Spring semester so they can decide whether to return or go elsewhere. I didn't see any sign of protest, though, either by way of banners or posters.

There is a sense among the students I talked to that they are more aware of the hostility of Durham toward them, though they knew that element was present before this event occurred. One student said Brodhead might be a good peacetime leader, being a good speaker and writer and fundraiser, but when it came to being the needed wartime leader, he fell short. He's perceived negatively by the students I talked to, which is a turnaround from what I heard last spring before this incident happened.

Students are getting on with their lives, pursuing their studies and interests. They are aware of the case and want the boys to be vindicated, but most don't think they can do much about it.

They also don't take the CCI stuff seriously. They don't think it will have much impact.

 
At 11:20 AM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://forums.go.com/abcnews/GMA/thread?threadID=462944

I suggest we all make comments on this ABC thread

you would not believe the pinheads against chris cuomo reporting kims story they are saying the duke boys are guilty etc.....
What a joke!!!!

 
At 12:28 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cash Michaels spinning like a top again:


http://forums.go.com/abclocal/WTVD/thread?threadID=135978

 
At 1:03 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

I just read the cash piece and he said that there was something on one of the computers?

But he could not say who gave him this information. Now I really believe that the DPD did something to those computers, wheh they placed them into evidence.

If Cash Michale's knows something he better start talking to the defense lawyers.

I have a copy of what he said and now I feel Cash can be called as witness.

There is a very large leak in either the D.A's office or the police department.

 
At 1:06 PM, October 30, 2006, Blogger Quasimodo said...

What wouldn't be on a college kid's computer?

If a college kid had a stack of Playboys in the 1970s, would that prove he was a secret rapist?

If a college kid today has visited similar sites, and made remarks akin to what is said on South Park to his buddies in emails--raucus, raunchy, and definitely not PC--does that make him into a secret rapist?

Let's not be hypocritical here.

 
At 1:25 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cash was speculating, based upon the fact that the computer information was turned over on Friday. I don't doubt there is stuff on the computers--and probably stuff that was not planted. As quasimodo said, they are college kids. If there is any racist language (which I think is what Cash was suggesting) that will be damaging, if only to their image. In my opinion, that is the thing about the evening that is most disturbing--while I realize Kim's comment did provoke the retort, there is no excuse in today's society for the use of that word. Period. iMHO

 
At 1:32 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Ruth Sheehan's article in the N&O she charactizes Nifong's lead in the polls as akin to Durham pride. Will it ever be possible for any of the media to name the real reason for Nifong's lead if we can rely on the numbers. The Black Vote, stupid. Group think is alive and well in Durham and is the second outrage of this election.

 
At 1:57 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there is any racist language (which I think is what Cash was suggesting) that will be damaging, if only to their image.

When the NBBP came to town, they were invited to participate in a rally held in a church and Malik Zulu Shabazz gave the keynote address. Representatives of the NAACP and the Urban League and the Durham Ministerial Council shared the rostrum with him, and all present called each other "brother" and "sister".

The avowed aim of the NBBP is the literal extermination of whites. The NOI profess to believe that Elijah Mohammed is circling the earth in the mothership, which will descend to destroy all whites at some point (just as 1500 invisible tiny spaceships now circle Minister Farrakhan at all times).

When Duke hosts a similar meeting with the KKK wizard and the Aryan Nations Furher in which no one bats an eyelash at their presence and all present refer to each other racially as "brother" and "sister", then I think there will be grounds to complain.

 
At 1:58 PM, October 30, 2006, Blogger TombZ said...

The only people not allowed to talk about race and the use of the Nword are white people.

It is used as common currency all over mass media. The shock/repugnance of the word has been devalued, except as a blunt force instrument against the white oppressor.

I'd rather the word not be used at all, but there it is. It's a 'special' word reserved for insiders in a community of disrespect.

 
At 2:30 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didn't Kim tell about the accuser asking her to "put marks on her" earlier?

Kim saw the protests, the New Black Panthers, the potbangers,etc. in the early days. She was afraid of Nyfong, the black community, the police, etc. Wouldn't you be?

Think of the position she was in. And then, maybe she did take CGM's money, and so she was part of the scam, in that way. Also, Kim initiated the police response with her irate call about the N- word and again made up a story as to the circumstances surrounding the epithet. Don't you recall the indignation that TV commentators showed that two innocent black girls were walking past the house ( at 1 am) when this mean racial epithet was yelled out by a horde of "frat" boys? People, in general, were led to believe by talk show pundits that this incident was an independent, separate act and had nothing to do with the strippers. In fact, folks believed the hoax because of the 911 call from the anonymous source (actually KIm). Kim was seeking vengenance against the team because someone insulted her. The other stripper took it many steps further-- she really sought vengeance. Is she sated yet?


Kim just miscalculated how far this vendetta would go. Somebody called her a name after she insulted him by calling him a little white dick who had to pay for sex or some such thing, and so it began..... That is what it all boils down to: name calling amidst booze and after a rip-off sex show.

"Sorry Fella's" is the way Kim feels now since the three indicted are not even the one who called her the name-- if indeed the epithet was used.

It is the fact that the N-word may have been used that makes Cash Michaels et al want to lynch white boys. It does not even matter that the white boys are not guilty of using the word that night or of any crime, let alone beating, sodomizing, raping and strangulation. Cash Michaels and his ilk don't care. To argue with this type is useless. THE FACTS DO NOT MATTER TO THEM! They are not seeking justice. This is just a game, and they want their side to win. It's a perversion. They take perverse pleasure in trying to punish boys who represent to them everything they hate--wealth, intelligence, athleticism, attractiveness, success, and whiteness. Reade, Colin, and Dave are symbols for them! It is as futile to argue the facts with them as it is to convince a rattle snake not to strike.-------Last word

 
At 2:40 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read Shelby Steele. The show of 'black anger' is made possible by 'white guilt', which has now made it possible to manipulate white society the way a spoiled child learns to manipulate his guitly parents.

It all has to do with political power, not with honest grievances about race. And many politicians (Nifong among them) know exactly the currency to spend to get some of that power.

 
At 2:43 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a VERY interesting video on wral.com. It is the video titled "former prosecutor stunned by Nifong admission." To find it you problably have to click on "more on Duke lax." A former prosecutor talks specifically about the unique duty of the DA to see that justice is done (NOT that the accused is convicted...) While this has been discussed many times, this video is very insightful. he also spoke about what possible reasons the DA might have for not interviewing the accuser--including the possibility that a therapist determines she is too "traumatized" (DR. Nifong's claim???) In this case,the prosecutor who is commenting says "that dog won't hunt" given her quick return to the strip club....

 
At 2:45 PM, October 30, 2006, Blogger Quasimodo said...

Rush Limbaugh has now mentioned the hoax, both Nifong's claim of not having interviewed the AV, and Kim's "put marks on me" remark.

 
At 3:27 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In regards to the n-word the last time I heard it used was when one young african american called another young african american the n-word. today people just dont use that word, its just a word that makes you feel uncomfortable saying it. I dont believe the 3 kids used that word. Its just too easy today for a african american to say, oh they called me the n- word.I do believe that there are people who do use the n- word, I call these people white trash and they are few in numbers.

 
At 3:38 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 8:34AM post, I agree, I probably won't use the new site that much either. The was all stired up by one poster that wanted everyone to use a name.

 
At 4:38 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Shaboom said...

Goodbye everyone. Let's hope for the best for our guys. Too bad one whiner had to ruin this site. Too bad, as well, that person does not know how to write a time down on paper and needs to have a name.

 
At 4:42 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think majority should rule, and majority wants this board stay as it is.

 
At 4:55 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous WJD said...

Who was the whiner anyway, the whole site has to move to a non-user freindly site because of one whiner. I agree with above if you want to direct your response to one person, just type in the time. What does he need a user name for.

 
At 4:56 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My conversation with FODU was that the one poster's comment did not cause the change. The existing system is combersome and difficult to monitor, requiring too much monitoring and changes everytime a new page needs to be created.

To all of us that how found this board so helpful, let's show our appreciation to FODU for all their efforts and give the new one board a chance. FODU deserves it.

 
At 5:01 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can try to give it chance, I just don't think it will work.
I, for one, am not registering for a board.
There are other boards, why do I need to register for yet another one?
That is what was nice about FODU-you didn't have to register.

 
At 5:16 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Lucky "D" said...

I would hope that this is not true. But, maybe the whiner is a Nifonger trying to split us up. Guess what? He or she won!

 
At 6:54 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Duke09Parent was the whiner. Maybe it is Nifong himself.

 
At 6:58 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous WJD said...

Nifong made a comment today to the AP. I found this article in a San Diego paper.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20061030-1412-dukelacrosse.html

 
At 7:12 PM, October 30, 2006, Blogger yportne said...

The most remarkable part of FODU is still the links. The first article linked was by Steve Sailor in late April. There were soon links to 100 articles and then 200. I was among those searching for articles. They came up almost daily on a google groups alert and on a beta blogspot search engine. It was obvious in May and June that this case was a hoax. One did not need to wait for 60 minutes. In the early days Court TV also had a good discussion group but it soon became worthless. The links at that site were all erased. They are still available at FODU. There are now several good discussion groups including the incredible Liestoppers. I am unconvinced that there is still a need for General topics - OPEN at this site. I found it quite easy to register on the new boards.

 
At 7:15 PM, October 30, 2006, Blogger Quasimodo said...

Be brave, kiddos, and register for the new board. It's Halloween, choose and identity and go for it.

It's not hard, and it helps keep various discussions separate.
Plus, you can PM (I think) email, etc.

 
At 8:15 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Friends, first let me say a big "thank you" to all those who have been posting on this site. You have all been true friends over the last 6 months. However, there is really no need to bid farewells to each other. Nobody is going anywhere! In a few days, we will all be posting away on the new board and this will little move will be a distant memory. I can almost guarantee that we will not lose a single commentator. We kept things simple here and it worked. We will do the same on the new board too.

I predict that after the move some friends might just read the comments made by others, and not comment themselves, for the next few days. But after they see how everything is progressing nicely, they too will register and start participating in the discussions. As I said, we will make it so easy that everyone will be able to do it. I even hope to get Professor Plum on the new Board. All he needs to do is to obtain a secondary email address (Yahoo, Hotmail, or Gmail will do nicely). Then, I am prepared to guide him every step of the way, until he becomes perfectly functional – that should take about 10 minutes to accomplish.

Now some good news, we are nearing 50 registrations already. So, there is hope. Please cheer up. We are all here, we are not going anywhere.

Moderator

 
At 8:35 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please keep this General Topics Board open for those of us who do not wish to participate in the new format. This has been a truly wonderful play to meet and express our collective thoughts about the lacrosse case and Duke in general. It's like a coffehouse. Now we must move to a new, updated location where the chairs aren't comfortable, and the atmosphere unwelcoming. I have spent each morning with my first cup of coffee here and every evening it's my last goodnight. I will miss it and miss as well the many wonderful things I have learned here, including bushing up on my writing skills (there is still much work to do). Perhaps someone should publish a book entitled "Moving to New Discussion Board for Dummies". I am sooooo sad.

 
At 8:41 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Friends

There is supposed to be another interview 10/31 abc around 7:30 AM. Try to watch.

 
At 8:49 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As requested above, please find:

Moving to New Discussion Board for Dummies

1. Accessing the new board
There are two ways to access the new board. First, from the regular FODU board, you may click on “Discussion board” on the right side of your screen. Second, you may add a bookmark to your browser with the following link and click on it each time you want to access the board: FODU Discussion Board

2. Registering to post comments
Everyone may read the contents of our board. However, in order to post comments, you must register. To register, click on the Register command located on the left side of the screen (beneath the board title). When registering, you will be asked to provide a name and a password. In addition, you will be asked for an email address. The email address you provide must be a valid one. This email address will be seen only by the moderator and it will not be shared with anyone. After you complete your registration, you must access your email to validate your registration. You will do this by clicking on a link that will be sent to you in an email by our board. After you validate your registration, you will become an official member of the board and ready to post comments.

3. Posting comments
To post comments, you will need to make sure you are logged in. If you see a message saying "Welcome Guest (Log In | Register)" this will indicate that you are not logged in. In that case, click on the Log In command, and enter your name and your password (the name and password you selected during the registering process). After you log in, you should see a message saying "Logged in as YourName." When logging in, if you choose the “Remember Me” option, next time when you access the board you will not need to log in. You will be remembered at all times. This option is recommended for those who use the same private and secure computer for posting comments.

Next step is to post your comment. We will assume you want to post a comment under the “General topics” section of the board. Click on "General topics" link displayed on the screen. Then, click on "General topics" link a second time. Next, you will see all the existing comments under that topic. To post a comment of your own, click on the "Add Reply" command. This will open up a text box where you will type in your comment. After you finish typing your comment, navigate to the bottom of the text box. You will see an "Add Reply" button. Click on it, and your comment will be posted. Your comment will appear as the last comment under the selected topic. When there are multiple pages of comments under a topic, your comment will be added as the last comment on the last page.

4. Editing comments
After posting a comment, if you discover you need to make revisions to it, you will need to locate your comment and click on the Edit command. The Edit command is located on the top right of each comment. You may only edit your own comments. After you click on the Edit command, your comment will be displayed in a text box and you will be able to revise it. When your revisions are done, go to the bottom of the text box, and you will see a "Post modified reply" button. Click on it to post the revised comment.

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If this does not do the job, we will dummy it up more and reprint. Please do not wory, we will get everyone up and running in no time. Nobody will be left behind.

Moderator

 
At 9:25 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous WJD said...

Goodbye all, a big supporter and retired police officer. You lost me.

 
At 9:32 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That site sucks I couldn't even post there. Thank you Duke09Parent. And good luck to Mike Nifong in his persecution of this case. Bye

 
At 9:46 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted without any difficulty, what are you talking about?

Are you one of those who wish people will stop posting because perhaps they are making a difference? I never heard anything so absurd; I was just on the new board. I followed the instructions given above, for the dummies, and I posted my comment. Instead of saying you couldn’t post why don’t you say where you had difficulty, at which step? Then, perhaps someone could help you out. By saying you couldn’t post you give the impression that are just trying to scare others. Trust me, it will not work. People are not stupid.

A dummy who can follow instructions

 
At 10:00 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

I just want to give everyone an example of how bad Nifong's last lie was.

I was raped eight years ago, the A.D.A was on the phone with me no less than once a week. They always talked about the case, and also how I was doing mentally.

So to tell Judge Smith and the defense that he "Nifong" has not spoken to CGM is in the words of Kim Roberts a crock.

Why is everyone in the Durham Legal system afraid of Nifong?

 
At 10:14 PM, October 30, 2006, Blogger sflady2005 said...

Blinco's officers walk...

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/504521.html

 
At 10:26 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

more about Blinco's cops charges dropped. What is this about them not knowing Bincos is in wake County?????
http://www.wral.com/news/10193370/detail.html

 
At 10:40 PM, October 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

above:

Intentional??

 
At 7:22 AM, October 31, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

(reposted from a post on another board)

Lone black player on the team on Good Morning America :

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2617301&page=1

In his first, exclusive interview with ABC News, Devon Sherwood said that his three white teammates who have been accused of sexually assaulting a black woman have been stereotyped by class and skin color. . .

“It’s just been all the stereotypes… I’ve even been stereotyped for being rich, being on full scholarship, [being] not in touch with my own black community at Duke… It’s terrible to find yourself being stereotyped,” Sherwood said.

“And you’re like, ‘Hold on, this couldn’t be much further from the truth,” he said. “You know? So it’s just amazing that the things you see and that [were] going on in this case and how the reversal from black stereotype to now rich white, privileged stereotype.'’

(snip)

“I had one brother when I came to Duke. Now I have 47 brothers…46 of them just happen to be white,” he said. . .

(snip)

“We’re almost inseparable,” he said. “We have a bond for life that no one else has. We know that we’re in a unique situation. . .

(snip)

He said he is a little bit haunted by the absence of his teammates. Evans graduated, and Finnerty and Seligmann have been suspended from the university because of the criminal charges against them.

“It hurts,” he said. “Like, you walk … and you see [their] lockers, just empty, nothing there.

“It’s kind of like — it’s not — I don’t want to say ghosts.

“But it’s just like, you know, you wish they were there with you.'’

 
At 8:11 AM, October 31, 2006, Anonymous duke09parent said...

Kind of funny, kind of sad. For people who condemn judgments without evidence, those anomymous posters who blame me for the board change are pretty quick to jump to that conclusion. I just made the suggestion that it was easier to reply to someone's ideas if they attached a handle to it. I would prefer to have this board as it is (was) because of ease of use. But it's not my board.

I haven't registered yet because I was leary of providing a real email address. But the Moderator says he's the only one to have access to it so I probably will. I have emailed him directly with that address before and it has not been abused.

 
At 8:52 AM, October 31, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Friends: Regarding the email address you will need to provide when registering on the new discussion board, as I indicated before, I will be the only person who will see that address and only when you register. Once registered, you will all be able to send private messages to one another (including me – my name on the new board is fodu_admin_1) without needing an email address. The new board will do this function for us. I already received several private messages from people who registered. It works quite nicely.

Duke09Parent above is right. This move is not done just for the names/handles sake. There are many reasons for it, but the most important one is to save me time. I am currently spending too much time moderating. After we move to the new board, I hope to reduce the time I spend on moderating and do more productive tasks.

If you are still hesitant in providing your email address, do not rule out getting another email address from one of the available free services: Yahoo, Hotmail, or Gmail. It only takes a few minutes to get one, and they work well. However, I want to reiterate that even if you provide your real regular email, it will be well protected. I already communicated with hundreds of you through email, and those email address have all been kept confidential. There is really no need to worry about this issue.

If you have any difficulty registering or need assistance in obtaining a new email address, post a comment here and I will provide step-by-step instructions on whatever the issue might be.

Moderator

 
At 10:06 AM, October 31, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I trust this moderator.

 
At 12:03 PM, October 31, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Newsobserver visited the Finnerty's at their home.

http://www.newsobserver.com/339/story/504654.html

 
At 12:06 PM, October 31, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the above article :

Iasked Colin about a story I'd heard about Emily, his younger sister, a petite 12-year-old. He told me that when he first returned home from Durham, Emily spent her nights sleeping on a couch in her big brother's room, wrapped up in his Duke blanket.

"She'd never talk to me about it," Colin said. "It was just her way of being protective, I guess. I don't know if she even understood it completely."

 

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