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At 8:11 AM, August 05, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not miss the axcellent article on Coach Pressler. Link follows.

Scapegoating by Robert KC Johnson

 
At 11:53 PM, August 05, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is anyone hearing that there is seriously damning info on FA; that she is about to be blasted by some very bad background brought to light by the NCCU reporter who was profiled in the Washington Post back in June? Some on the boards are hinting but does anyone have any good links?

 
At 12:32 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

These rumors first surfaced in April suggesting that she and Durham Social Services Dept. had much to hide. Who knows, but how much worse can it get?

 
At 3:33 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joseph Neff writes an excellent summary of the record based on the complete file provided by Nifong.

An examination of the complete public record

It is worth mentioning that the Durham DA is required by law to disclose what he is basing his case on, so the evidence (and rather the complete lack of it) released to the defense attorneys _must be_ the evidence used by Nifong to bring indictments.

But the record also once again makes a strong case that Nifong has deliberately and intentionally brought a false indictment. Making a long list of knowingly false statements to the press and the grand jury, and intentionally failing to gather (or hiding from the public) relevent evidence.

It is also astonishing once again at the absence of certain types of evidence in the disclosure that should obviously have been present including tox reports, examination of cell phone and computer records, statements from the two dancers' employers, the role of the city manager Patrick Baker in pressuring Durham police, and on and on.

Indeed, it now appears Nifong was half-heartedly gathering some of this evidence _after_ he had already brought indictments.

(why the Durham police were not doing basic evidence gathering rather than DA will likely also be the subject of ongoing litigation against the city of Durham for years to come)

It simply strains credulity that much of this evidence missing from the public record was not taken or examined by DPD and Nifong's office.

The failure to produce and disclose the reports of Gottlieb is likely one mechanism by which Himan, Nifong and Gottlieb sought to bury evidence and hide it from the defense attorneys and the public.

We will likely learn much more about this coverup in the months to come.

All of this indicates to me that these three (and likely other Durham cops and attorneys in Nifong's office) will ultimately be found to have been involved in criminal actions to cover up disclosure of exculpatory evidence before this case is over.

 
At 3:39 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The news in the above noted NandO story is that the NandO actually wrote and printed it. I think our continued and combined pressure finally had an effect.

Better late than never.

Walter Abbott

 
At 3:40 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

While he demanded $400,000 bail for the 3 in the lacrosse case, this is how Nifong's office handles bail for Durham's career criminals and murderers.

$10,000 bail for the 7th arrest since a murder charge

Nifong is a thug, who is deliberately coddling Durham's actual criminals so he can pursue media celebrity.

 
At 3:53 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The timing of the NandO piece doesn't surprise

The MSM is a supremely self-centered beast. They (Melanie Sill) are likely reacting directly to the unconstitutional gag order by Judge Titus.

This lazy and pompous Judge thinks he can rescue Nifong's sinking case by trying to muzzle public complaints about the DA's misconduct by cutting off all information.

Wrong.

 
At 8:38 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael Gaynor rates defense team strategies and encourages Reade and Collin to speak up like innocent men falsely accused instead of shutting up like criminals who heard the Miranda warning and, to say a word, understandably refused.

Judging Duke case defense strategy
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/060805

Smart Duke Case Defense Strategy: Level Playing Field; Inform People
http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=gaynorm&date=060806

Collin's Defense Has Not Been Flawless!
http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=gaynorm&date=060805

Right on! And...write on!

 
At 10:25 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Picture this : the KKK comes to town in robes and threatens the lives of some defendants. One of them sits in the courtroom in robes and whispers death threats to the defendant. The DA meets in a private meeting with the KKK
head and it is alleged that he makes certain promises to them. The KKK holds rallies and marches through town.

Would the FBI and DOJ be on the scene?

Or picture this : six off-duty white cops beat up a black man, using racial epithets, while other off-duty cops from two cities sit by and watch passively and do nothing. ("Rodney King South").

Would the FBI refuse to get involved?

(Remember the FBI sent THREE agents to Durham in 2005 to investigate some cross burnings, which were never solved, and which rumor ascribed to some black teenagers.)

Where is the FBI and why are they hiding behind a wall of silence?

I'd be interested in their answers.

FBI field office in N. Carolina :

charlotte.public@ic.fbi.gov

Submit a hate crime tip to the FBI :

https://tips.fbi.gov/

"E-mails to the Department of Justice, including the Attorney General, may be sent to AskDOJ@usdoj.gov.

E-mails will be forwarded to the responsible Department of Justice component for appropriate handling."

Criminal section of the Justice Dept. Civil Rights Division
(an email sent to the Justice Dept., directed ATTN: to one of the following, might get a better response.

Assist. Atty General Wan Kim

Chief
Mark Kappelhoff

 
At 11:03 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

Above: you make a good point. If the KKK went the NCCU and tried to march the FBI, STATE TROOPERS, and ALL LOCAL POLICE would be out there to stop them. Where are they Here. Sounds like Jesse Jackson's checkbook is getting a workout to me. Or is it the NAACP or the ACLU greasing the palms of thesr people to stay out of it, and not do there jobs. I think we should call the department of justice in D.C. and demand they come in and take ove here.

 
At 11:45 AM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is an interesting article in a black-oriented publication. Link below. NOt sure if it is o.k. to post entire articles. THis paper, from Black Press USA, publisher of the Wilmington Journal says an internal police memo indicates that the accuser denies receiving any offer of a payoff to rescind her charges. If this is true, odd that it hasn't been picked up anywhere else, that i've noticed.

Of course, this publication, so blinded by its anti-white viewpoint, frames this issue as being about whether this Jakki person, who claims she is a family spokesperson, is credible.

Apparently, the author considers it taboo to even explore the idea that the alleged victim could be dishonest about anything. Amusing, and so sad. I get the feeling from this story that Jakki is truly flabbergasted to learn that Crystal is now denying it.

http://wilmingtonjournal.blackpressusa.com/news/Article/Article.asp?NewsID=71544&sID=4

 
At 12:39 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In case you haven't seen this in today's NandO

They are soliciting "questions" to be answered in a published online Q&A later this week.

Hmmmm, I think we have some.


"Questions about the case?

Do you have a question about evidence in the Duke lacrosse case? E-mail your question to jneff@newsobserver.com. Include your name and hometown. Our reporters will address your questions and post their answers later this week on newsobserver.com."

 
At 12:40 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous duke09parent said...

RE the Wilmington Journal link above:

This was discussed a bit in the General Topics 9 on 8/4. A poster at about 7 p.m. said of its author: "I have it personally from Cash that he didn't believe the allegations from the beginning." Jakki the transvestite's self-annointed role as family spokesperson (spokes-thing?) kind of blew up in her face with the hush money rumor was disowned by the accuser.

If it weren't for Evans' loss of a job, the others' being set back 3 semesters and the expense to their families, this whole thing would read like a Dave Barry story a la "Big Trouble".

The News & Observer piece this morning should go a long way toward convincing any uncommitted folks who read newspapers that this whole mess is a trumped up charge. It might give the Anybody But Nifong folks some hope of victory in November.

 
At 12:47 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous duke09parent said...

I forgot to mention Mike Pressler losing his job as one of the truly damaging things from this. I'm glad he's got a new position, announced today by the AP wire--Bryant University, a Div. II school in Rhode Island.

 
At 12:56 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Above: parent I think that Nifong has been given enough rope and maybe a very large tree he just might hang himself. I am willing to bet that the "victim" does not realize that she has to face three or more defense lawyers on cross exam. I think she's going to crack just after day on the stand. I don't think she can handle it. I had trouble with just one lawyer.

 
At 1:01 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is worth highlighting the new revelation in Neff's piece today.

This April 17th memo from DPD

showing that Nifong and the Durham PD only began to make a halfhearted attempt to gather any evidence AFTER he indicted Seligmann & Finnerty (GJ returned on 4/17)

This is a gross ethical violation. And is de facto evidence that Nifong and the racist cop Mark Gottlieb (who presented to the GJ) engineered a frameup.

Nifong didn't want any actual evidence in hand to get in the way of his political prosecution designed to pander to blacks for his upcoming May 2nd election.

 
At 1:28 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone help me? I just read an artical in th N&O on line and Nifong was the top stroy. That man does not know the meaning of the word gag order. My question is: I need the address, not the e address but the building address for the D.A. I'd like to send him a letter, and I want him to get it before the next court hearing.

 
At 1:35 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it me, or does Nifong seem to have it in for the lacrosse team. Not just David, Collin and Reade. But the team as a whole?

 
At 1:36 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A letter sent today to Durham-Sun Editor Bob Ashley and the rest of his reporters.

To the Cheerleaders and Nifong-partisans at the D-S:

In case you didn't notice, the NandO did a comprehensive story today on the entirety of the DA's case. Not defense spins, but a review of the State's actual documents. It was a pretty stunning indictment of the DA that you have so tirelessly defended, Ashley.

http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/468272.html

Where's your story, Ashley?

Oh, didn't see, did I.

Instead you have Good German John Stevenson leaking selective "information" about a months-old irrelevant DNA test from a source in the DA's office. And bogusly calling it a scoop.

And I noticed you removed Ray Gronberg from the coverage so you could personally oversee the misinformation campaign, Ashley.

What's the matter, was he too independent for you and
your happy-face, fake-news operation.

There's a word for what you do, it's called propaganda.

More drivel about Bonsai and flower clubs, please!

 
At 1:45 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have sent the following e-mail to Joseph Neff of the New-Observer regarding his excellent summary of the evidence:

Congratulations on an outstanding piece!

A few additions:
1) Accuser's previous hospitalization for mental illness, her earlier rape allegation, and her use of a vibrator that weekend (explaining vaginal swelling).
2) The suspicious arrest of the taxi driver (Seligmann's alibi witness) on an old warrant after he wouldn't cooperate with Gottlieb et al.
3) Did you have access to Gottlieb's police report on the case? It is likely there are more surprises to be found.
4) The mystery of the fake names. Why would team members use the names of the team captains if they were trying to use false names? While Dan Flannery admitted he used the name Adam to book the dancers, he later showed Kim his real ID.
5) The current location of the accuser, and whether she is still under "protective" police custody. How much has this cost Durham County taxpayers?
6) Why have Kim Roberts' parole violation hearings not been listed under the regular court calendars? Is this part of the special treatment from Nifong you describe? She has not paid restitution and has violated her parole, yet is still free.

Overall, though, you have done a real public service by putting together the known facts. In any other jurisdiction, charges would never be brought with the lack of DNA evidence and the other facts involved. This raises the question I hope you will address next-- why is Mr. Nifong pursuing this? What are the political, psychological, and personality quirks of this man that he is persisting? What in his background is leading him in this direction? The whole case is a classic tragedy with a flawed man going down the road to ruin.

 
At 1:59 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Gork from Gorkon said...

It's Sunday and I don't like to kick animals when they are already down. But, I used to think that Nifong was merely incompetent. Now it appears that he is not incompetent - but, he is an unethical self-centered politically motivated animal. He must feel like the 51st man in line for a 50 man life boat. He is drowning in his own bad judgement.

 
At 2:40 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I said a few days ago. Give Michale Nifong enough time to manufacture his evidence and he wil call God himself to testify against these guys.

Nifong's whole case is manufactured, and he has a vendebtta against the team as a whole.

He can't get any member of the team in jail on noise or open containers of beer, so the next best thing.
1. take down a team captain,

2.A person who has a charge pending in D.C.

3. and last an honor student who has no criminal record at all, but now has this for the rest of his / there lives because of some money hungry girls.

 
At 2:50 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous duke09parent said...

Like the 1:01 poster said, that revelation of the memo on Nifong's directive on the day of the indictment was a surprise. My Adobe crashed trying to open the link but here's the paragraph from the N&O article:

**********
Nifong took the quotes on the DNA-test prices from Soucie and gave the officer further marching orders.

"Mike Nifong stated that: Also need documentation on escort service and how they do business," she wrote in her notes. "Need to nail down what victim did on the day before arriving at 610 N. Buchanan so we can show that she did not receive trauma prior to the incident -- with witnesses."
*************

Wow. Once the first round of DNA tests failed to connect any player, I would think looking into the accuser's activities the day before the party would be a really high priority. I'm amazed Nifong didn't think of it earlier. Maybe someone on the grand jury asked him if the accuser had had sex with someone else the day before the incident. Hmmm, might be a good idea to check on that, huh?

 
At 5:15 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A commentator above asked for the mailing address of DA Nifong. Can someone help us get this information? In fact, it will be useful if the Durham and NC residents could look through our existing list for this type of information and provide us with what is missing. Suggestion for what else could be useful to have on that page is welcome. A link to this page exists in section c. of our "Links to media" page. Thank you for any you may be able to provide.

Moderator

 
At 5:43 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

Above: that was me looking for the address, thanks for sending me to that link. All it gave was his e-mail address. I want the building address. Do I just send my letter to Durham County Court House, N.C.?

 
At 5:59 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The address is:
Durham County Judicial Building
201 East Main Street
Durham, NC 27701

 
At 6:07 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question for the N&O for Mike Nifong. He said he doesn't need DNA to prosecute a rape case successfully. When was the last time Nifong prosecuted a rape case personally? The newspapers said he was assigned to traffic court for approximately four years prior to his appointment as DA, and prior to that I think he handled homicides. Maybe the last time he handled a rape case was before the use of DNA became prevalent if ever.

 
At 6:24 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Hop O' Long said...

If a crime was ever comitted there is always some form of DNA. Where there is no DNA no Crime. The last time all the attornies were in court, Nijong " these guys don't know what they are talking about. Ref. to the defense. I have talked to several defense lawyers out here and they all tell me that the defense already has a ton of reasons for an appeal if a date is set for trial and this goes to trial.

 
At 6:35 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When was the last time Nifong prosecuted a rape case personally?

Durham and some rape cases :

When Hardin was DA :

http://www.monkeytime.org/archive/September2002.html#durhamDNA

But let's see if we have this right: The white cousin who was initially fingered by the rape victim strikes a deal for immunity with the D.A. in order to testify against a black guy whose DNA doesn't match the DNA found inside the victim? . . . It's difficult to understand why the guy being charged with rape is apparently not the one whose semen was found inside the victim.

http://www.monkeytime.org/archive/October2002.html#durhamDNA2

Update on that Durham rape trial where the DNA from the man being prosecuted by District Attorney Jim Hardin's office didn't match the facts of the case. The Herald-Sun's John Stevenson followed up last week; the suspect, who'd spent a full year in jail awaiting trial, was completely acquitted of all charges. . .
The jury foreman, Howard Williams, Jr., had extremely harsh words for the prosecution...

"We all wondered what we were doing there. . . The evidence was nonexistent. . . I can't understand why that man spent a year in jail when there was no evidence whatsoever against him. It made no sense to us. Where's the justice?"


Another case, prosecuted by Nifong, involved an alleged rape victim who left two phone messages; these were "accidently" voiced over by an Assistant DA and a police detective. The prosecution wanted to say that they could be trusted to "remember" whose voice was on the tape, but the judge wasn't going for it and after an expert was called in to study the tape, the defendant was acquitted.

The victim in that case worked at a (nude) bar and when examined at Duke Hospital, there were no signs consistent with rape, anal penetration, etc., as had been alleged, nor any signs of a beating.

 
At 6:39 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

In the past several months, there have been a lot of rape verdicts over turned because back before DNA was used, the police kept the evidence. And when those men went for retrial they found out that their DNA did not match. So they have been opening thous jail cells and having to admit they the state made a mistake, and they hate to do that. I'll bet Nijong will have the DNA planted. Don't forget the state already has DNA samples for the team.

 
At 6:44 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

please put 2 + 2 together the last time I counted it equals 4

 
At 6:55 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please. Too late for Nifong to frame anyone with DNA. The testing is alrady done.

 
At 7:00 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Put Liestoppers Blog up on your list!

They are doing a great job reporting! Read it Today!

http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/

Catching Nifong's Lies

 
At 7:13 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Hop O' Long said...

Above 6:55 p.m. It would not surprise me if he did it already and put in all of the so call discovery he has been piece mailing the defense. And as for finding Dave's DNA in his own home, and on a towel, well I have something to say about that. But I can't here.

 
At 7:43 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In reading the N&O, three issues that have not received much press stand out to me:
1) The AV did not make the rape claim without "prodding." When she arrived at Durham Access, the mental health facility to which she was taken because of her behavior at the Kroger, she was specifically ASKED 'if anything had happened to her,' and 'if she had been raped.' This seems significant.
2) In addition to the absence of a DNA match to the players, none of the AV's DNA was found on the bathroom floor, walls, door, etc. How does one explain the total absence of her DNA in that room after a violent rape? This seems even more significant than the absence of the players' DNA, which could be theoretically explained by condom use.
3) The police report description of the AV's changing story makes me wonder whether an experienced psychologist could offer an opinion on the types of things that a rape victim might be confused about in the hours after an attack. While I could understand confusion about the specific details of a rape, the AV's multiple accounts included some very dramatic, fantastic events--including her story, given three weeks after the event, that she and Nikki were trying to hold onto each other as they were being pulled apart, and her earlier story that Nikki and Brett had carried her, against her will, back into the house. I'm no expert, but these seem to be substantive changes, rather than mere inconsistencies.

In addition, I wonder if anyone is following up on the missing shoe and other missing items. somebody knows where they are.....

 
At 8:18 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Rape Victim said...

Above how about a another rape victim answering you
1. the absents of her DNA is Huge Hole for Nifong to over come.

2. The asking of anything happening to her is standard for all hospitals around the counrty.

3. And for as for her mind going crazy and not remembering things that night Please remember she admitted to taking a relaxant or two that night and mixing it with some form of alcohol and that is just something you don't do. Even I know that. She might be remembering being taken to the car I read that she needed help getting to the car, and I have not heard anything about her shoe.

 
At 10:52 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have followed this from early April and found interesting info in the N&O article.

There is a pattern in the testamony offered by the accuser and in a strange way it meshes with the second dancer’s story, but not quite. It was as if the second dancer said, “I told them ‘x,’ now you need to adjust your story.” When the accuser gave her updated account, she not only added events that matched the second dancer, she embellished it and in so doing contradicted the second dancer testimony.

The accuser's stories are different, but strangely similar and the time sequence in which they appear looks a lot like collusion.

 
At 10:58 PM, August 06, 2006, Blogger yportne said...

Billy Graham follows world news and the Duke lacrosse case!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14204483/

 
At 11:14 PM, August 06, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 10:52P

That is the cops telling her what to say, not Nikki. Happens in cases all the time when the cops don't have a reliable accuser.

For what we know about him, it is probably the routine practice of the racist, rogue cops like Gottlieb in the Durham PD.

That is why several people have commented that it is _very_ instructive that CGM made no written statements until April.

In the intervening time, she was practicing and rehearsing the story given to her by Himan and Gottlieb, who constructed it to fit Nikki's account, which was on paper within days.

 
At 8:01 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it's time for prominent North Carolinians, like

Billy Graham
Rick Dees
Jesse Jackson
Elizabeth Dole

to join in calling for a federal investigation of the goings on in Durham.

 
At 8:36 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

Above don't you listen Jesse Jackson is involved. He's on the side of the so called "Victim". and he doesn't care about justice. Just as long as someone, anyone goes to jail. innocent of all charges. He is Racist himself against the white people.

 
At 8:48 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesse Jackson is involved.

This case is just going to be a big embarassment for him now. But he can climb out of the hole he dug for himself if he comes out in favor
of the truth--innocence.

It would win him big plaudits from everyone, and there is only an upside to that.

 
At 9:00 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good P.R. news, Drudge has the Neff article front and center today.
Texas Mom

 
At 9:07 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Kerri Paradise said...

to above, Why do you think we don't see the Rev. Al Sharpton. two words for you " Twana Brawley" Sharpton got involved with that and I don't know how old you are I was in high shcool, and he got egg thrown on him for that. And he even said this girl here is a LIAR

 
At 11:04 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What was amzing to me was the collin finnery id. No way does he fit into the 3 men she decribed at all ! Even the 2nd dancer picks him out as being so young looking and he is 6'3 and very skinny. How comes this has never surfaced until now? The fact that it was suggested to her a rape took place - that is astounding ! This is the first time i am hearing this.

 
At 11:18 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When people are drunk or high they say all sorts of things they don't remember later. Anyone who has known an intoxicated person or has been one can testify to that. A person of character will apologize later for any untoward statements or actions committed while inebriated whether the person recalls the exact remarks or events. CGM,obviously,is not such a person. She sounds like a sociopath. I am sure there are medical records that well document her behavior. My question is why one does not see psychiatrists on TV commenting on her various tales. The talking heads have been. Other than Dr. Baden ( Blowhard) and millions of lawyers, I have seen no medical experts give their two cents on the type of criminal psychosis she or other prostitutes/thieves/inveterate liars operate under. With Duke's vast medical complex, it seems odd to me that no medical folks have been called upon for conjecture by the talking heads. CGM seems like a sick person.Maybe she has flashbacks to other rapes or hallucinations of assaults. A vulnerable person would be fodder for an unscrupulous DA and a thug police force.

If she is afraid for her safety, do you think it is a genuine fear? If the cops beat up a black cook for "just about nothing" would they not have good reason to silence her? I think her safety may be at stake. She may be junmping from house to house so that the police and their cohorts don't find her. The most trustworthy folks she could find to protect her would be the ones she has viciously accused or folks like the ones who know the whole thing is bogus. But, she must put her safety in the hands of a DA who surely could not want her to take the stand! I really think this could wind up a lot like that movie "14 blocks" or whatever it was called with Bruce Willis. Maybe I have an active imagination but look at this case so far! Nyfond is eager to ruin and risk the lives of three innocent young boys by putting them in prison-- AND he KNOWS they are innocent. Why would he care about the life a prostitute who may end up being a real embarrassment to him and his cops. CGM may say ont he stand that the dops coerced her to cry rape! Yes, the FBI needs to be called in! CGM should be concerned about her safety!

 
At 11:30 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous kerri said...

above she has to take the stand now.If this goes to trial.Nifong will try and say she needs the rape shield law. I say as a rape victim to hell with that. She made her bed let her lay in it. And as for Mr. Roberts is she doesn't take the stand for the staee she can be called by the defense as a hostile witness. All Nifong can do now to save face is to drop the case and that won't happen bet me.

 
At 11:31 AM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous kerri said...

sorry my spelling stinks today

 
At 1:08 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re the 11:14 pm post from 8/6: I think that the reason there was such a delay between the FA's initial failed attempts at photo IDs and her ultimate feeble, distorted ID is because she and her camp had time in the interim to Google the team and figure out who the wealthiest players were. It strikes me as far more than coincidental that she ended up picking the wealthiest members of the team. Has the defense request for her computer been responded to yet? I doubt it, particularly since the judge wouldn't even require Gottlieb to reduce to writing the substance of the flawed photo ID session (which by law he is required to do.)

 
At 1:39 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Kerri said...

just above me: You said it!!! Nifong is about to have a headache I am sending him a letter that he is not going to like to hear. I am pointing all the facts that came out his mouth at the time he said them. During each and every press interview. He only likes to play up to the press. What next for Durham Judge Nifong? God Help Us All if that happens. And I read today can't remember where But it said she is hiding from something. Maybe the cops, maybe they final got the clue she's lying and want revenge. Or is it because she has devided Raleigh/Durham so bad no one will ever believe a word that comes out of her mouth again. The reason I say this is because a lot of people around the country are waking up and seeing this case for what it really is.

 
At 1:51 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NandO apparently made a big booboo in their story yesterday

As pointed out on Melanie Sill's blog, this new data changes Nifong's crime from one of omission to one of commission.

Instead of gathering evidence after the fact, he had additional exculptory evidence available at the time he indicted (that CGM's vaginal swelling was likely due to her early tricks in the hotel room).

It also indicates that Nifong delayed his announcement of the negative DNA results for almost a week in early April(likely while he schemed on how to rescue his election campaign)

More evidence that Nifong intentionally perpetrated this false prosecution.

 
At 2:11 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drudge story taken down between my first post and now.
Texas Mom

 
At 2:12 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

More evidence that Nifong intentionally perpetrated this false prosecution.

Which is why anybody with an ounce of sense who was involved with this
(including their honors, Stephens and Titus and Bushfan) fraud ought to be at the FBI right now, getting immunity for their testimony; because once the indictments hit, Nifong is toast and so is everyone else connected with this.

 
At 2:16 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous mother of victim said...

I am ashamed of myself, as of today I thougth that these were guilty. Until I saw some of the things my daughter has been keeping about this case. She is a rape victim, and I can't believe that I didn't believe my own daughter that these wealthy young men did the things that the d.a. has accused them of. My daughter has all the faith in the world in these boys, and now do I as well.

 
At 2:35 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous K.P. said...

above 2:12 p.m. you know the old saying crap rolls down hill. Well here it is ending up on the laps of the Duke Men's Lacrosse Team because nifong has a vendetta against this team.

 
At 3:29 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What ever happened to making this case an extrordinary case?

 
At 3:54 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember Freda Black? Why not try to get her to run against Mike Nifong. She could be the ABN, candidate, she want the office and may even get Cheeks support. Add to this the animosity between her and Nifong, no doubt that if she ever won, Nifong is gone.

 
At 4:12 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 3:54 anonymous commenter above--Freda Black can't run as there is a "sore losers" clause in the election rules prohibiting losers in the primary from running as independents. (Something Connecticut could use but I digress.) That being said, wouldn't it be sweet irony if Ms. Black ends up being appointed by the Gov. once ABN does win? Oh baby, let it be true.

Durham Mommy

 
At 4:43 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Georgia is ranting once again--she's on Tucker Carlson's show saying she believes a rape occurred--her evidence is that the boys were drinking all afternoon and hired strippers. She first cites Kim Robert's statement that "a rape could have occurred" as further evidence but then, when Tucker points out that Kim's initial story was different, Georgia asks Tucker why he would believe Kim. Consistency is not important with Georgia. Her last piece of evidence--the "fact" (as she described it) that 'Duke alums offered $2mm' to get AV to drop case. Tucker DID cut her off, but someone in the media should press those who are making this $2mm payoff claim, and demand that they actually come up with a name. It's too easy to claim something happened if you never are asked to substantiate that claim--which seems to be the NC way.

 
At 4:56 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Kerri said...

above Kim Roberts wouldn't know the truth if it was handed to her. If anyone does there homework as much as I have you will see that the Victim and Kim Roberts and saying the same thing word for word. They are being told what to say and how to say it. Remember Kim Robert's has sticky finger's stealing from employer $25,000 and just after this story broke she went shopping for P.R. Firm so she could "spin things her way" by the way that was word for word what Kim Roberts said in the e-mail to the pr firm. Both so called Girls are out for nothing but Money-Money-Money!!! The Victim has a lawyer for civil suit already. Nifong must have stem coming out of his ears.

 
At 4:57 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Durham Mommy;
Too bad you have that law, but I do agree it would be great if Cheeks won, turned down the job and the Governor appointed Freda Black. One question too all, what is Georgia's last name, I can't remember it and I just caught the end of the interview. She was talking about the 2 million dollars, the bogus 2 million. I wanted to send her an e-mail or fax, her office is somewhere in MD.

 
At 5:07 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to point out that the accuser herself has denied the 2 million $ offer.

 
At 5:11 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to futher point out that police has investigated Jakki's claim, and accuser denied she was offered 2 million $.
Somebody should let Georgia know.

 
At 5:19 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know Georgia's last name, I wanted to send her a FAX and tell her she is incorrect on the 2 million dollar issue. She is out there spreading lies about this case and the media is letting her, no questions asked. She is trying to make rumors into facts.

 
At 5:21 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Georgia is from the Nifong school--the facts have never mattered to her. But I did email tucker--I think he does care about the truth. He corrected another of Georgia's false statements later in his show (she actually said--or muttered--that Reade's DNA was found in the house.) Maybe he'll make an effort on another show to give the facts about the phony $2mm offer.

 
At 5:24 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have temporarily forgotten georgia's last name (a senior moment), BUT Tucker's show runs again at 6--you can get her name then. Although we KNOW she doesn't care about the facts. She's been quoting falsehoods since March, and she's never listened to anyone else.

 
At 5:26 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I sure hope Tucker would correct false information spread on his show.
Accuser has denied the offer to the police, and stated her cousin Jakki is out of the loop.

 
At 5:29 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Her name is GEORGIA GOSLEE.

 
At 5:31 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Georgia's last name Goslee?

 
At 6:44 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have emailed Tucker Carlson and asked him to keep Georgia Goslee off the show- she's an impediment to rational dialogue. Mr. Carlson should immediately correct the false statements that Ms. Goslee made. Just goes to show you that a law degree and admission to a bar association does not make a person a critical thinker!
Texas Mom

 
At 7:07 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moved from elsewhere posted on August 1
--------------------------
In today's N&O: Durham DA may quit animal control panel

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/466495.html

Some of the members of the panel seemed shocked by his, shall we say, intemperate and nasty response? Guess the rest of Durham is slowly finding out just how paranoid and mean-spirited Nifong is -- his ad hominem attacks have now reached the town dog-catcher! As I've said before, he's turning out to be Captain Queeg: It was the strawberries! Anyone who has this level of response on such a small issue as someone on the panel signing Cheek's petition is to be pitied because it's such a pathetically immature response, but also to be feared because he has so much power.

 
At 7:09 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would respectfully suggest that everyone leave Collin alone about his and his lawyers' decision to remain silent. This is a very young man and he is doing the best he can under awful conditions.
Texas Mom

 
At 7:10 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where does obsession about Collin’s talking come from?
Leave Collin alone. His talking is going to change absolutely nothing.
Reade’s alibi evidence has been released. Dave gave a press conference. Did it change anything? Did Nifong drop the charges? Then why would anyone think Collin’s talking is going to change anything?

 
At 7:17 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Above (Texas mom): I would second that, and strongly suggest that Mike Gaynor stops criticizing Collin's family and lawyers. We are not enjoying these long comments that repeat the same stupid message, like a broken record, day in day out. You said it Mike, and we disagree with it. Just give it a rest. What are you trying to accomplish? If you are so passionate why don't you write to Collin's family and his lawyers and suggest that they hire you as an advisor. We have heard enough from you on this topic. Do you get it?

A real Collin friend

 
At 7:20 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moved from elsewhere. Originaly posted on August 2.
------------------------------
In today's N&O:

Easley: Scandals are "blight on the state"

http://www.newsobserver.com/1179/story/466849.html

While I realize that this headline refers to his comments on the Jim Black investigation, I think that his remarks also incorporate by reference (or should) not only the state legislators' boondoggle on the ferry, but more importantly the entire Duke travesty and the Durham PD coverup of the Blinco's assault case. With all due respect to the residents of Durham (who have to live with this mess every day), what the hell is going on there? It's got to be disheartening to open the local papers day after day and find that the inmates are running (and reporting on) the asylum, from the DA's office to the DPD to the Duke administration to the majority of the reporters to the corrupt, attention-grabbing "activists" like Cash Michaels and Victoria Peterson and the folks on the DATA. This truly is a city in need of outside intervention to stop the hemorrhaging, and fast.

 
At 7:45 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re the comments on Collin's defense team's decision to stay quiet -- Amen! So far, I've been very impressed by Bill Cotter and Wade Smith. Let's let them do their job.

 
At 7:46 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re above comments about the Gaynor posts on this site: Two good responses have already been given to Mr. Gaynor about his criticism of Collin's family and lawyers. I am recreating one of those responses below. This comment was originally posted on August 5th in the "Links to media" section. The link to an earlier response is included at the end.

In my opinion, these two responses should be sufficient to end this debate --at least on out site. If Mr. Gaynor wants to pursue this topic further, I suggest that he does it through his articles published elsewhere. On this site, we need to move on to more constructive and more pressing matters. This issue has been sufficiently discussed.

Moderator

Response 1
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Re the Gaynor post referenced above:

"An Anonymous poster (there seem to be many different ones) at Friends of Duke University website missed the main point entirely in praising Collin Finnerty's defense to date and claiming to "understand [my] frustration at having to wait for Collin's story to be told in full."

I hardly missed the main point -- that's unduly harsh. Take it easy, Mike -- we're on the same side here, which is why I won't respond to all your criticisms of my initial post. My general observation -- it seems that we completely agree on the injustices taking place here in Durham. We disagree only on the question of whether Collin should be out front introducing himself to the public and the media in a manner that would not conflict with the unconstitutional gag order (which would be very tricky, given its over-reaching scope). As for responding in public prior to the Titus ruling -- it's water under the bridge, but I support their decision.

As to the only observation I feel I should respond to specifically:

"I have never met any of the Duke Three (or their well-to-do dads)..."

I have.

That connection is what leads me to believe that conducting this case as they have thus far is the best course of action at this point.

This is not some "lawyer's trick" as you suggest, but simply my take on the reality that these guys (including Collin) face in this case. I've spelled out my position before, and I stand by it.

Reasonable minds can disagree, as can reasonable defense attorneys, on what is the best position for a client to take, particularly if you have gotten to know your client well. I'm sure you'd agree with me on this point.

Thanks for the focus on this case, and remember who the bad guys really are.

Response 2:
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Comments on Gaynor article

 
At 8:16 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Gaynor, up until recently, was playing a positive role in keeping the public informed about this travesty.

Neither he nor I know Collin personally, nor do we know the details of his defense. All along his lawyers have insisted on keeping their cards close to their vests (opposite the approach of Reade's lawyers).Giving the details of Collin's alibi would help Nifong at this point.

Mr. Gaynor, lay off now that you've made your point.

 
At 9:22 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Kerri said...

During my search for the words nifong used in court the last time they were all there. Well I found it and it shows Nifongs true colors here it is in full." It Looked sometimes over the course of the last few months that some of these attornys were almost disappointed their client's didn't get indicted so they could be a part of this spectcle here in Durham. Nifong needs to be disbarred.

 
At 9:28 PM, August 07, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

does anyone know that the victim pointed out four team members, so why do we only see three? And why didn't the player with the nasty E-Mail get charged with making a death threat. I know right where he got the plot from. Just wondering why Nifong wasn't big enough to put him on trial. Maybe to chicken he would get laughed out of court.

 
At 1:52 AM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greta said that the DA's files are now in the public domain. The N&O clearly examined those files:


"In examining the files Nifong has produced in the case, The News & Observer found..."

And the Johnsville News blog says--

"Apparently the News & Observer now has access to all 1,800 pages of the case documents Nifong has provided the defense. They also look like they've now read some of the material."

If the defense is indeed making the files available, that seems like blockbuster news in and of itself.

 
At 2:12 AM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, well, well.

Looks like CGM was quite an inspiration for Durham women

No false allegations of rape NEVER happen

Guess in that case, the City Manager Patrick Baker didn't need to interfere to make sure a false allegation of rape was pursued to cover up Durham city officials use of CGM and other prostitutes.

In that case, I guess Nifong had no reason to pursue false allegations of rape when it was a black-on-black situation.

No votes in that, huh Mike

 
At 7:30 AM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How did they decide this was a false rape charge? Did they use DNA?
Aren't women to be believed when they make rape charges?
Did Duke Hospital give her an exam?

Which detectives heard her complaint and how did they handle it? (Remember, this was at basically the same time as the lacrosse memebers were being charged.)

Was news of this charge suppressed at the time because it would have also called the lacrosse scandal into question?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 
At 10:06 AM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Kerri Paradis said...

I found another of Nifong's problems with his own words coming back to haunt him. Did anyone read the so called I.D. line up the (CGM) did the detective even said that in the interview D.A. Nifong told them to break the police procedure General Order 4077 on eye witness identificaton which was issued in February 2006, and which was designed to prevent the conviction of innocent persons and reduce the chance of mistaken identification. Well they broke this rule and now we have this mess. Three innocent men's lives turned upside down and a team's whose names are destoryed and the team will be talked about for the rest of their lives and that is one fact that even I'm sorry will never chang when (CGM)'s story is taken apart. Right along with Kim Roberts

 
At 10:21 AM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the false rape allegations made by Nona Marshall will be very instructive.

A side-by-side comparison of the cases would be an excellant study.

Whatcha wanna bet the Herald-Sun and NandO don't cover it.

 
At 10:37 AM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This article is one of the most balanced and impressively concise journalistic forays into rape allegations Lots of allegations not many prosecutions

It points out the obvious. What start as social encounters frequently end up as rape allegations.

That then melt away in the cold light of day. When the costs and benefits of pursuing prosecution of what was often a hazy situation is made.

The article also points what is obvious to anyone who understands that false rape allegations are a crime of power just as surely as rape is...that a number of women lie about being raped

For attention, for payback, for money, out of fear.

Or in CGM's case, likely all 4.

 
At 12:17 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 1:52AM Aug 8,
Dan Abrams of MSNBC fame reported months ago he recieved all of the first 1800 pages of the discovery. I e-mailed the N&O and they returned my e-mail and stated that they had also recieved the first 1800 pages. This is probably where their information for the article came from.

 
At 1:15 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Kerri said...

I hate the fact that Jesse Jackson put his nose where it doesn't belong. I am a rape victm and with him openig up his check book. He is now telling all women that if you don't like the sex you got that night, go to the hospital " don't lose and evidence" and then go to the police and file charges of rape. He will be right there to stand by you and pay you for your testimony. He has just sent a really bad message to all women on the face of this earth. But that's just me

 
At 4:00 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Durham Mommy
Perhaps Freda Black could campaign for Cheeks, if Cheeks does win, he could take office for a couple of months. He could then resign and recommend that Freda be appointed DA. He could also fire Nifong and probably help his own law firm. Right now Cheeks is concerned about his law firm, how much business will he lose by not running as promised. Many of the people that signed his petition and supported him were probably already clients, how many of them will abandon him, and his private business, if he does not campaign. Since Durham likes crooked politics this is about as crooked as it could get.

 
At 5:17 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 4pm poster...From Mr. Cheeks' press conference, he said he wouldn't campaign but that he would vote for himself and encourage others to do so. He is quite a good civil attorney and I suspect his clients are pleased they will not be losing him. I haven't heard anything about where Ms. Black is these days, but it would be sweet justice if she was appointed DA...I am on board for the ABN campaign but am waiting for direction. This must be an organized run if it is to win. People get a little skittish not knowing who could be appointed, but I say it's more often than not that Americans these days believe they are casting a vote for what they believe is the lesser of two evils. Who could be more evil than Nifong?

Obviously, as a signer of the Cheeks petition I am aware that ANYTHING that might happen (even the lowly parking ticket) could be turned into a criminal event with Der Nifong in power. I want the guy gone...and I know there are many folks who do also.

I am not a native North Carolinian and honestly I more than a little disappointed by the level of incompetence/graft here in Durham and the State (Roy Black, our State House Speaker is a real peach...and locally, the city has found that there are close to toxic levels of lead in water of many homes--so I'd check out what Duke is doing to make sure their water supply is protected on your kids' behalf.) That having been said, before we settled here I was in DC for ten years and criminal behaviour by those in power is no shocker.

Rambling post, now back to dinner prep.

Durham Mommy

 
At 5:17 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Anonymous at 2:12...

"The accused man was charged with first-degree kidnapping, assault by pointing a gun, assault on a female and first-degree rape, according to warrants. His bond was set at $100,000, warrants said."

The thing that jumps out at me here is that a gun was alleged in this case and bond was only set 1/4 has high as the Duke guys.

 
At 5:27 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous kerri said...

one above: the Duke boys are from out of town, that is why Nifong had such a high bail on them. Now if they were from there I'll Bet maybe $25,00 each. Nifong's just trying to make a name for himself. Because he is killing the office if D.A.

 
At 5:45 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is more relevant is the evidence used to exonerate the guy arrested on the false claims of rape.

It will very revealing as Nifong's selective prosecution in the Duke case

 
At 6:40 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just reading Bob Ashley's (of the Herald Sun) "Has the lacrosse case induced insanity?". He quotes Andrew Cohen of the Washington Post saying,"It is possible that a savage rape occured." ARE THEY CRAZY? The only people savaged in this case are the innocent lacrosse players and their families. The coach, his family, and the team were abused. Reporters and editors should watch their words!

 
At 7:27 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Above I agree with you. The media is chewing up the Duke Lacrosse Team and infating Nifong's EGO. I would like to be the one rape victim to defalte it anyone got a pin??? No one on this team is going to come out of this unhurt. Not even the families, team members and any coach that is with this university ever. Nifong has done so much damage, that nothing could or can ever help Make It Right Thanks Nifong thanks for nothing...

 
At 7:46 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Lucky "D" said...

It is strange that such an unknown man can grow to have(not achieve) so much power when an uninformed Governor appointed Nifong to his post. He (Nifong) has gone from nothing to probably the most feared (not respected, mind you) man in Durham. How could this happen? Then I remember hearing about some guy named Adolph in Europe.

 
At 8:03 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re the Cheek/ABN campaign:

1. Any updates on the local campaign organizing effort?

2. Will out- of-staters be able to contribute, and are there limits on the amount?

3. Are additional options being explored (such as PACs) which could buy radio and TV spots, full page ads in the N&O etc.?

4. Does anyone know what a full page ad in the N&O would cost?

 
At 10:19 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The right message to go after Nifong in the election is that he is corrupt and a race-baiter

It also happens to be true.

 
At 8:09 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Joe Neff mean by this: "Our reporters will address your questions and post their answers later this week on newsobserver.com."

Where and when will this Q&A appear on their site?

 
At 9:01 PM, October 18, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i read most of the comments.in my humble opinion,you,most of you have been desensitized and are just waking up to the fact that the 3 players are victims of terrorism from within this country and the welfare and the pressure to give to the terrorists within durham is not working.the only viable path to defending our children is to quit nurturing the snakes.i am tired of blogs.can a defence attorney lead this site and provide concrete direction towards actions i.e disbarring Nifong,taking the unobjective professors out from their constituency living on the dole,making Mr brodhead accountable for lack of intellect and fairness
or shall i retreat into my abject resignation to America as it is today.i was not born here so i am not braiwashed into appeasing terrorists within or outside
please take action

 

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