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Durhamite here wishing to address the poster from the previous thread...don't think you have to worry too much about voir dire. It only takes one person to keep justice on track. Yes, there are racists like that young misguided fellow at NCCU who wants to convict even if they are innocent just to even the score. In my dealings with folks (and believe me, I talk to EVERYONE I know b/c I am so P.O.d) everyone is at least against Nifong if not for Reade, David, and Collin.
Additionally, I do not have connections to media types but wonder if anyone besides Dan Abrams wants to present the truth. Unlike what Fox Mulder would say, the truth is just not out there, or maybe it's just not out there enough. For instance, do you know how many people STILL don't know that Ryan's admittedly stupid email was in reference to American Psycho??
Getting the truth out is hard if your position conflicts with what will get ratings or sell papers. For example, on the day of the multi-faith prayer service at Duke Chapel I happened to be running back to the CC trail from the Gardens so I stopped to see what was what. The WRAL reporter saw me (a mommy with cute baby in a jogger) and asked if I'd answer a few questions for her once she established I lived in Durham. This was pre-indictment, so her main question was "Do you think there'd be indictments already if it was a black on white crime?" I said that I didn't think that was the case and that saying this was about race was (to use Kim's words) a crock. I said people use race to arouse emotions so that facts would be obscured. I said I blamed Nifong completely for the whole mess and I actually had tears in my eyes when I said it had done so much damage to my community and to the lives of all the Duke students who were innocent of anything. I guess that wasn't what she wanted, because she didn't interview me on camera.
Above poster: Thank you Durhamite mom. This is what I was hoping to hear. You give me new hope. I am so glad you posted. Please keep in touch with us. Everything you wrote is correct. My kid in Duke was interview by one of the TV stations. As soon as he said something positive indicating that he supports the players, they stopped the interview and moved on to another student. The one-sided media has been a big part of this huge mess. They don’t event stop and think that they may be destroying the lives of innocent people and their families. It is incredible how many people got so hurt as a result of this scandal. For some, actually for many, this hurt will last a life time. Thanks again for your excellent post.
Unfortunatley, Please don't expect any changes will be made at Duke-the chairman of the board of trustees is singing out of the Brodhead hymnal...."strong and consistent leadership"???
Steel is bloviating about issues of race and gender, yet ignores the absence of the fair and consistent application of law by Nifong the past two months. Doesn't address the vicious trashing the players have taking in the press, all of which is the result of a psychotic, prevaricating, manipulative, criminally disposed stripper/escort and a corrupt prosecutor. Why is everyone at Duke afraid to state the obvious-she is a lying, scheming whore----
Other than a couple priests from Delbarton and Chaminade standing up for Seligman and Finnerty where is the outrage.
Steel wants to get the 'dial set right on individual responsibility of students'-please, how about holding public figures like Nifong to minimal standards of ethical responsibility. Or god forbid your faculty-80 of whom condemned the lax players as racists-or the dean of students who wrote an article in the Chronicle of Higher Education doing everything but saying the key should be thrown away on these guys.
A ceo or university president salivates over the following: "the president runs the university"...excuse me,the Board is in charge Mr.. Steel, not an employee, which is what Brodhead is. "Issues of class and issues of university community". There's the self loathing liberal horse shit again. Talk about a group of people who don't have the proverbial backs of the students. Another example of the slide of our 'elite' institutions-even board members don't have the guts to do and say the right thing...probably because they don't know what that is after a lifetime of self absorption and the making of offerings at the altar of political correctness. I suppose if you write a big enough check to earn a spot on the board (either because you inherited it or you lined your own pockets in a public company) or represent some 'dispossessed' community, you too can spout the pc nonsense of Mr.. Steel and Mr.. Brodhead-all the while condemning your 'traditional' student body and the people(I.e parents and benefactors) who have worked so hard to pay tuition. I can only hope that the parents of Duke students show their disdain by withdrawing from the annual fund/parents fund this year.
TUCKER CARLSON HAS BEEN AWESOME - 11PM MSNBC
Poster 2 above (1:50 pm) Very well said! I happen to know that Friends of Duke Lacrosse is looking for a spokes person, someone to speak on behalf of this community and express these sentiments that we all share. If you do not have reasons for remaining anonymous (i.e. employed by Duke, student at Duke, parent of a Duke student etc.) would you consider taking this on? We really need a good spokes person to counter all the garbage that has been said so far without any basis and without any challenge. If interested, send an email to Friends of Duke Lacrosse. They would want to hear from you.
"Why is Duke self-flagellating? Why are we offering these lacrosse boys up on the scaffold of political correctness? What deity of social consciousness are we trying to appease by allowing these lambs to be taken to slaughter?"
The above statement was posted May 9.
All universities are like this. The last of the non political professors who were hired before 1970 have retired.
Their places have been taken by
minorities, feminazis and a few, very few white male marxists who are determined to destroy whites and America.
It is not just the professors who hate whites. It is also the plethora of "centers" centers for feminazis, centers for blacks, gays, maybe gay, maybe not, hispanics, asians, on and on and on.
The employees of these "centers" do not need the credentials of professors.
Face it, the long march through the institutions by the marxist left has succeeded.
The only thing that has changed is the "other" the Great Satan, the
fount of all that is wrong with the world. 50 years ago the marxists villified capitalism and capitalists as the enemy.
Whites particularly white men have replaced capitalists as the enemy.
If anyone wants to learn more about the white hating marxists who have taken over not just Duke, but every university and community college in the country google these sources;
frontpagemagazine.com
discoverthenetworks.com
amren.com eaif.org
And worst of all, the creator and propagandist in chief of "White
ness studies", Tim Wise.
White alums and parents of white students who pay 40,000 tuition should know what their children are subjected to.
Every class including hard science
is filled with vicious hatred of whites.
In my college biology class I was taught that blonde hair and blue eyes were a mutation and that "the sooner the recissive
genes of white hair and blue eyes are obliterated the better."
Ask your children what they were taught in history, english, sociology etc at Duke. Then ask yourself, why are we paying for this?
Why are we subjecting our children to white hatred brain washing for 4 years and 200,000 dollars tuition and living expenses?
Unfortunately, college campuses have long since lost the notion of "learning communities" and bastions of open-mindedness.
The reality (since the early 90's at least) is that if you are not with the politically correct or the popular agenda, you are an outcast and risk being disconnected from the "community."
At least a few brave Dookies are stepping forward to support the members of the team being crucified for something that hasn't been proven yet. This is indeed a witch hunt right now.
This is how the Durham District Attorney and the Durham "community"
aka white hating racists treat black on white attempted rape, kidnapping and sexual assault.
Read it and weep, white women of Duke and Durham. If a black ever rapes you, he won't be punished.
What is especially interesting is the fact the this was a real kidnapping and the kidnapping, a very serious felony was dismissed.
Furthermore, the guy is an illegal alien from Africa. Where is ICE?
Taxi driver allowed to plead guilty only to misdemeanor
By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sun
May 23, 2006
DURHAM -- As the Duke University lacrosse rape case continues to grab national attention, another sex-assault accusation with a Duke connection has quietly faded away.
It involved taxi driver Hasan Ateya Kafi, 45, who was accused last year of feloniously kidnapping a Duke student and committing misdemeanor sexual battery against her.
Court records show that Kafi was allowed to plead guilty this month to only the misdemeanor, receiving a 60-day suspended jail sentence and 18 months of probation.
The kidnapping charge was not prosecuted, and an apparently unrelated allegation that Kafi took indecent liberties with a child was dismissed, the records indicate.
Assistant District Attorney Tracey Cline, who handled the case, did not respond to a request for comment Tuesday.
The kidnapping and battery charges arose on the night of April 1, 2005, after a female Duke student called Durham's Best Cab Co. for a ride home, police said at the time.
A cab driven by Kafi picked up the woman near Duke's East Campus, according to Durham police.
But instead of taking the student home, Kafi drove around with her for about an hour along areas around Hillsborough Road and Broad Street, reports indicate.
Arrest warrants state that, during the ride, Kafi groped the woman and touched various parts of her body, including her buttocks, while keeping her in the car against her will.
She reportedly was unable to get away or call for help on her cell phone.
Kafi was the subject of a January 2005 Duke Chronicle story that portrayed him as "a bona fide Duke pimp" due to his popularity with female students.
Defense lawyer James D. "Butch" Williams said the case was resolved under a seemingly paradoxical provision of the law that allows someone to plead guilty without actually admitting his guilt.
"Looking at the totality of the circumstances, it was in Mr. Kafi's best interests to enter this plea and move on with his life," the attorney said Tuesday. "No one did me no favors. This was a fair resolution of the case, given all the facts and circumstances."
(And what about the best interests of the victim and the best interests of other women and children he will assault?)
http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-737899.html
Rap sheet:
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/raw1
Enter: 0953384
North Carolina Department of Correction
Public Access Information System
The information you have requested for offender 0953384 is shown below. The data is current as of 05/23/2006
Probation and Parole Client Profile data for offender 0953384
Record #1 of 1 record(s)
P&P OFFENDER NC DOC
NUMBER ID: 0953384
P&P OFFENDER LAST NAME: KAFI
P&P OFFENDER FIRST NAME: HASAN
OFFENDER GENDER CODE: MALE
OFFENDER RACE CODE: BLACK
OFFENDER DATE OF BIRTH:
1961-03-20
P&P CLIENT RECORD STATUS CODE: ACTIVE
P&P CLIENT ADMIN. STATUS CODE: ACTIVE ACT
MOST SERIOUS OFFENSE CURR. PD.: SEXUAL BATTERY
P&P CLIENT IS FELON/MISD. CODE: MISD.
OVERALL LENGTH OF SUPV.(Y/M/D): 0010600
DATE OF LAST UPDATE: 2006-05-11
TIME OF LAST UPDATE: 05:11:22
P&P OFFICE CODE: DISTRICT 14 UNIT F
DCC PUNISHMENT TYPE SUMMARY CD: ??????????????????????????????
SENTENCE PUNISHMENT TYPE CODE: COMMUNITY SS (DCC)
Durham is 44% black. According to DOJ/FBI statistics there are about
17,000 black on white rapes per year.
Statistically, there are no
white on black rapes. The number of white on black rapes is too small (less than 100 per year,) to show up on statistics.
The actual number of white on black rapes per year is about 5
to 40.
And the Feminazis are still forcing Duke students to read To Kill a Mocking Bird and Soul On ice, both books justifying black on white rape.
Where is the DA appearing on national television vowing to give attempted rapist and kidnapper
Hasan Kafi the maximum sentence?
Where are the Black Mayor, City Manager, City Councilors and Pestilent Black Preachers howling and bangin pots and threatening
riots if this black kidnapper and sexual offender is not given the maximum sentence?
Most of all, where are the Feminazis of Duke? What is the administration of Duke doing to guard Duke students from the ghetto thugs that surround Duke?
Nowwhere and doing nothing.
$42,000 tuition and at least 10,000
living expenses per year, years of student debt payments and the school and town exonerate black kidnappers and attempted rapists of Duke women.
And now the NCAA is investigating whether or not the women can wear the "Innocent" wristbands. Good old NCAA always looking to catch Duke in their mousetrap. Maybe the ladies should wear their support spandex with "Innocent" written across their keisters and the NCAA can shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
While Mr. Steel was at Duke (69-73), he was a member of the Beta Fraternity which was notorious for bad behavior.
i'm not so sure why i think shes not telling the truth.
maybe its because all the evidence points out that this prostitute is making up this whole story.
everytime something has come up and points this out her story changes:
"i was raped by 20 men"
"i really was not raped"
"i was raped by 15 men"
"i was raped by 20 men and the other dancer and the other dancer was in the room while it was happening" (the other dancers statement says when asked about this she states "thats a crock of shit"
"i was raped and they were not wearing condoms"
"i was not raped at all"
"i was raped by 3 men
"i was not raped"
"i was raped by 3 men, and they wore condoms"(changed when the DNA came back negitive, and not trace evidence of latex or lubricants in her cooter)
"i was not raped by them acually, they used a broom handle"(no trace evidence showing that to be the case)
"He looks like one of them but he had a mustache(Reade S has never had a mustache. (photos taken the day before show this, the photos from the ATM show that he did not have one 5 mins after she "claims" he was raping her)
Duke University, Duke Lacrosse, Durham and 3 innocent men are the ones being raped.
st295x98@yahoo.com
I watched a show on vhi last evening about strippers in n. carolina being recruited to be in gangsta rap videos- it was absolutley degrading and disgusting what these women will do for money - all of them had children and they justified their actions by saying i will do anythign for the benjamins -one women humped singer in a pool while he stated i ve got hos in the pool ! i do agree to a certain extent that young men and women who have gone to private schools nd then head off to duke have no idea what these sorts of lowlife characters will do for money- i blame nfong - he held a carrot out to this girl -after watching the "hos in the pool" i can only imagine that each of them would have indeed do anything for the benjamins and claimed rape if the situation was lucrative enough.
tucker carlson has been awesome!!!! msnbc at 11pm
Does anyone know if the women's Duke lacrosse game will be televised tomorrow night? I would love to watch...I am not in NC, so I wouldn't be able to watch it via a local channel.
I do not think it will be on TV (I hope I am wrong on that) but it will be on CSTV.COM. I tried it once when Duke women won the ACC championship. It is pretty good, in the absence of a real TV coverage.
Lynne Duke is a windbag. The Post is a left wing bastion on PCdom. they also have a terrible sports section so screw them. And, they love the Terps...what more can anyone say?
Look at this-- http://www.wral.com/news/9276876/detail.html
My summary: Defense files motion asking for more evidence from Nifong. The police asked the accuser for a description of the attackers shortly after she made the rape claim. The defense says her response was not included in the files that Nifong turned over. They filed a motion to get that information, saying Nifong did NOT turn over everything he had, as he claimed in court.
Web address for article in previous post-- http://www.wral.com/news/9276876/detail.html
Nifong and Durham PD hiding evidence?
Looks like Nifong(TPOS) and Crew are at it again, The report or reports that B.W.Himan and other officers took seem to have disappeared. The reports and notes taken the night of the alleged rape by Durham police officers contained the accusers descriptions of the persons that allegedly raped her at the Duke Lacrosse party. The question now is, Did the Police hide these reports and notes or did the DA Nifong(TPOS)make them disappear? If anyone is wondering,
(TPOS = The Piece Of Sh*t)
st295x98@yahoo.com
This was in the Durham paper today: http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-738696.html
I think this is just the beginning of a lot of questions that the Durham PD and Nifong (TPOS-I like that) are going to have to answer. I hope that the families of all the players are planning lawsuits against Durham PD, Nifong(TPOS), and Duke. I am a Durham resident that is DISGUSTED by the behavior of all of them.
I really just would like to know when Nifong(TPOS) and his cronies are going to stop this charade and drop all the charges. My husband and I decided to move out of Durham if the case goes to trial. We do not want to live in a city where being white is a crime.
Hello everyone.
I would just like to say hi and that I completely support these young men in this absolute travesty of justice.
I have been very impressed by this site and the support from it.
During the past couple of weeks I have been trying to find ways to make myself feel better about the railroading happening to these young men, and the only real stress relief I found was to create some nasty photoshopped pictures of Mike Nifong, who it goes without saying, I find repulsive.
I would not want to offend anyone's sensibilities, or make fun of a serious situation, but sometimes laughter is the only thing we have.
Do you think it it would be alright if I posted links to the images I created? That way anyone who felt like having a giggle at Nifong's expense could do so, and maybe share them with others who were in need of a laugh to help them through the tension of the fiasco this lunatic has created.
I would be happy to post them. Please let me know if this is appropriate as I could post them in the links section I suppsoe.
Also, many of my pro-defense friends and I have taken to calling the D.A. "Gino M. Finke" which is an anagram for Mike Nifong.
wishing all the best to Reade, David and Collin.
To the poster above: Dear Friend, we do need to find some humor these days. We are all distressed about the graveness of this case. Please send me the link to your photos and if they seem to be appropriate, by all means, we will allow them to be published. In fact, we can have a page specifically for that (i.e. comic relief page). But, everything has to be done with taste. Let us not forget that we are dealing with a very sad set of circumstances. I look forward to seeing your links.
Moderator
To the poster two above: Thanks for your kind words and support. If you have not already contacted us via email, we would love to hear from you. As I mentioned before, we need the support and assistance of the Durhamites more than any other group. Please spread the word to others in your community.
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Is there no end to the mishaps that took place in this case? It appears that the DA and the Durham police didn’t do a single thing right. Every passing day, there is a new revelation that something else went wrong. This case is clearly a smoke screen. There was no rape; no crime was committed. This was all concocted by a vicious DA to get elected to office. If Nifong had not heard about these accusations and decide to get his dirty fingers in it, it would have gone away long time ago. Just like other false accusations. Nifong is the one who kept this alive.
Then, other Durham administrator decided to jump on the band wagon too. This is how it all came about. I cannot wait until someone in NC decides to stop this mess. There will be huge backlash on all those who have the power to stop this, and do not act. Wait and see; it will happen. I trust that American people will see perfectly well what is going on here. Nobody is fooling anyone. I bet even Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton know that there was no rape. When will Patrick Bakes see it? When will the NC Attorney General see it? Most importantly, when will Brodhead see it?
I am the parent of a Duke student who has great affection for the institution. I also am convinced the boys are innocent.
In reading some of the posts on this blog, however, there are a few with an undercurrent of racial prejudice.
Duke's student body when it was founded was comprised of largely white Protestant males. The addition of females,Catholics, Jews, blacks, and Hispanics has only made it a stronger university. In a world of globalization, students need a wide perspective.
In supporting the boys, prejudice must be avoided for two reasons.
First, it is morally and legally wrong.
Second, it would not be smart to inflame the potential jury pool if the case does go to trial.
So let's be positive, inclusive, and avoid any prejudice or stereotyping.
Poster above: That is a very thoughtful comment. I am sure the moderator of this site would want to hear about specific posts that might be offensive or go too far. Let us all make an effort and if we see such posts inform the moderator so that those posts can be removed. It is in our best interest to keep this site clean and honest, and by all means, non-racial. Last week, someone posted the name of the accuser on this site, and the moderator removed that post as soon as it was reported. We all have to keep an open eye here.
I couldn't agree more with the two posters above. Someone also made some offensive comments about the Durham residents and it was promptly removed. We have report any post we see that is offensive. I will certainly do that.
Can we refer to the DA as Mike Dingdong? :))
Yes, Dingdong is okay... We are talking about racists remarks (against any group of people: white, black, Asian, Durhamite, Martian etc.).
The gag order really illustrates something I've noticed going on in this case. Nifong is working with and through a lot of Durham personnel. Or City Manager Baker is working through Nifong.
This case is very unusual. City Manager Baker is up to his gills in this case.
1) Nifong can't ask for a gag order, okay, he can, but the Defense will use the opportunity to score big points in publicly filed motions detailing Nifong's outrageous public statements. The NAACP steps in; this was coordinated in my opinion.
2) Patrick Baker. Okay, most people know that he got the police together and tried to get to the bottom of the statements attributed to DPD about the victim constantly changing her story. It is widely believed Baker also made it known that he was unhappy with those comments or theories and he questioned the police force. The Defense has said they believe this will have the effect of everyone carrying forward the City of Durham's story (falling into line).
The other thing I saw on Baker is that he was involved in this case again in April. He came out unsolicited and defended the Durham Police actions when the DPD a day or so after indictments were signed, approached multiple players and questioned them without their counsel. They attempted to question players without their legal representation - when they knew they were represented. Baker made statements on the record to the press defending this questioning.
3) The Durham City Council or some government body came out and made an offical statement supporting Baker running an in-house investigation to determine if and who in the PD made statements saying the victim was constantly changing her story and was not credible. The council said they felt the need to publicly support Baker.
I think this a two headed (at least) monster in Durham and Baker has been acting very suspiciously. The council feels a need to publicly support him? I'd be willing to bet they were ASKED to pass a public motion supporting Baker.
Why has Baker inserted himself at critical points in the investigation to keep it on track.
Baker and Nifong. Remember Vernon Jordan and Bill Clinton?
Baker actions are not typical of a Police Chief, much less a City Manager. This case seems to be very important to Mr. Baker. Important enough for him to conduct an intra-force investigation before the first court date of the case? Important enough for him to dispatch Police Officers
to the Duke Dorms in a controversial move that was sure to draw fire. Then the City Council introduces a motion to support Baker's actions in the Duke matter? This is a rape.
There has been multiple rapes in Durham since this alleged party rape. I'm sure Baker had no involvement in these other rape cases and I'm sure the same applies to the City Council and the Durham Chapter of the NAACP.
I was not one of those suspicious of Baker initially, but as I look deeper, I think he's involved or trying to hide something.
I think Durham is the worst place in the state for the trial. Think about it yourself for a while and see if you don't agree. Ask yourself "is the jury pool going to be better or worse in other similarly sized or larger cities in the state?"
I think this jurisdiction will have a lot of blacks in the jury pool, a disproportionate number, and some will likely be trying to get on the jury stealth. They'll know to show no flags. Even the Dukies who are in the pool may have their own grudges with the athletes. Imagine the liberals arts department, the profs, the TAs, the grads.
This is strictly a personal opinion, but I'd sure want the case out of this jurisdiction, where you never know the politics. Get it somewhere that Nifong is powerless.
The pressure on blacks to support the "black" side of this in the Durham black community is off the chart. THAT is why Kim Roberts suddenly changed her tune and started singing one more helpful to Crystal. It affects the blacks on such a jury. That is what made the OJ verdict what it was.
I am a Durham city employee. I hear my AA fellow employees talking about this case.
The chief superior court judge is Orlando Hudson who is black.
Hudson has to run for re-election.
In this case, which Race was involved, Hudson was solidly behind the black convicted killer:
Summary:
Desmond Keith Carter went to the home of his 71 year old neighbor, Helen Purdy (who was white), and asked to "borrow" money. When she refused, he stabbed her 13 times and took $15. Carter confessed to the crime, at first claiming that Purdy got excited, attempted to push him and fell on the knife. At trial, Carter admitted the killing, but argued that he was intoxicated on alcohol, crack cocaine and tranquilizers when he stabbed Purdy. The jury did not buy either story. Carter was on Parole at the time of the Killing. Carter suffered a stab wound in the attack. Carter said that four white men had jumped and stabbed him.
Carter's defense lawyers argued to Judge Hudson that Carter's original lawyers weren't good enough and that racial bias against black defendants accused of killing whites made his trial unfair.
Durham Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson agreed to stay Carter's execution on 12/04/02.
Two days later Judge Hudson was overruled by the North Carolina Supreme Court.
This all sounds quite distressing. Doesn't the white population or those who are not racist have a say in Durham? If the situation is as bad as described here, what are the prospects then? Are we supposed to throw in the towel? Does any one have any good news about Durham politics?
The parents of a Duke student said;
"In reading some of the posts on this blog, however, there are a few with an undercurrent of racial prejudice."
Prejudice means pre judging, judging in advance, judging before one knows all the facts.
We know many facts. Many have concluded, after 3 months of non stop racial discrimination against the Duke lacrosse team that the heavily black city government, police department and white district attorney Nifong are railroading Dave, Reade and Collin because they are white.
The entire lacrosse team was villified and slandered because they are white.
To point out these extremely obvious truths is not prejudice.
It is simply acknowledgement of the truth.
Perhaps if you were a white who lived or worked in Durham, you would be more aware of who is prejudiced and racist in this town.
At David Evans press conference a black women politican in Durham began screaming and claiming that the boys had used the n word. After that announcment she then excitedly began to exclaim that
" oh no .... WE want the case in durham ...we want it here" Ask yourselves "who is the we"? Chilling
I am a Durham Resident and I have posted on this blog before. We tried to organize a group of people to begin a letter writing campaign and organize a support rally for the players on June 19th. Unfortunately people are afraid to speak up in support of the players for fear of being considered a racist. EVERYONE I speak to knows that this is a false accusation and nothing more but when it came down to it people are afraid.
I have friends who grew up in Durham and to sum up what has gone on here over the past 30 years, whites are afraid to speak up because the blacks of Durham are racist and want all whites to pay for things that happened in the PAST.
I am NOT a racist. I have friends who are black. They are embarrassed by the majority of the population and their behavior. They are NEVER held accountable for their actions and everything is somehow the white peoples’ fault. There are many liberals here who champion their cause and think that if you do not support any and all blacks you are racist.
Durham has gotten worse over the past 8 years starting with the corrupt government all the way down to the school board. It is scary and not getting better. 99% of my friends have put their children in private schools even if they cannot afford it. No one wants to send their kids to public school and God help you if you get into even minor trouble in Durham and you are white.
This story is almost like a Stephen King novel. We are all waiting to wake up from the nightmare or for Nifong to come out and say he is being blackmailed or he slept with Crystal. We want it to be something, anything that would explain WHY this has gone on as long as it has.
The sad truth is though that Collin, Reade, and Dave’s lives are forever ruined. The damage is DONE.
No recanting of the accusation, dropped charges, or innocent verdict will change what this whore did to them. It doesn’t matter.
IT is a sad state of affairs in Durham. If only Nifong had been elected court jester.
Poster above (Durham resident): It is very courageous of you to come out and tell us the truth. I congratulate you for that. This is pretty much what we suspected was going in Durham. Now, we have confirmation for it. This is exactly why we have to work together on this. We have to work hand in hand, and try to resolve our respective problems. You need to save/fix your community; we need to save the lives of three young men and save/fix our university. It is not going to be easy, but we have to make the effort. Remember this:
God never said it would be easy; he just said it would be worth it.
I am reading these posts and I feel like I have been transported back to 1789 France. Do we need to have a revolution in this country in order to get justice? Will it come to that?
I am ready willing and able to do whatever it takes to help fix this community. What can we do though??
It is scary to be in a city that keeps you down based on the color of your skin. I am active in my church, children's schools, and run a youth league in the area. I will work with what I have but I am one person.
Not many are willing to step out of the shadows to voice thier opinion. I will help do whatever I can but please advise!!
Friend from Durham: We appreciate your efforts. For the time being, try to win over as many minds as possible. We will have to think about this and see if we can make specific recommendations to you. I am tempted to say start writing anonymous letters to your city administrator. But, it sounds like they are a bunch of corrupt racists. That is not going to do much good. Let us sleep on this and see what can be done. We will communicate with you again soon. Please keep in touch.
From the report of Officer Shelton who was the first officer to respond to the a/v and 2nd dancer at the Kroger parking lot.
He first spoke with the 2nd dancer and the Kroger security guard about the woman who either could not, or would not get out of the car.
He then walked over to the car and saw the alleged victim.
"She was wearing a see-through red outfit, with no undergarments and one high-heel shoe," Shelton wrote. "She was unconscious."
Shelton says he got an ammonia capsule from his patrol car.
"When I used it, the female began mouth-breathing, which is a sign that she was not really unconscious," he wrote. "My experience is that unconscious people wake up rather quickly when exposed to ammonia capsules.
"I grabbed the female and attempted to pull her from the vehicle. She grabbed the emergency brake with her left hand and would not come out of the car. At this point, I applied a bent wrist come-along [maneuver] to her right-hand arm? once she was out of the car, I released the pressure and she collapsed to the ground."
Shelton says the woman would not speak with police officers, so they decided to take her for involuntary commitment at the Durham Access Center. A short time later, Shelton got a call from another officer that made him go back at talk to the alleged victim again.
"He called me and stated the female stated she had been raped...Once at Duke [Hospital], I spoke to the female, who was now cooperative," Shelton wrote. "She said some of the guys from the party pulled her from the vehicle and groped her. She told me that no one forced her to have sex."
Then, Shelton says the alleged victim's story changed again.
"Within a few minutes, I was told that she told the [doctor] that she had been raped? I returned? and asked her if she had or had not been raped. She told me she did not want to talk to me anymore and then started crying and saying something about them dragging her into the bedroom."
The report also shows inconsistencies with the story from the second dancer. The alleged victim called her "Nikki" that night. According to the report, neither woman told police that Roberts also performed at the lacrosse team's party.
I wanted to point out another blog which has opened up in response to this beautiful site- it will evince even clearer what these 3 wonderful boys are up against It is filled with hatred, pre- judgedment and claims that the rape took place depsite lack of evidence- its truly sorrowful but i thought that this site and hating people such as this must make us stronger in our resolve ! Pray for all these 3 boys!
wonderlandornot.net/2006/05/07/ friends-of-duke-lacrossenot-hereno-poetry-either/ - 56k -
<--- 38 year Durham Resident and ashamed, along with my parents, My mother worked at Duke Hospital for 20 years. she worked 3rd shift to keep food on the table and clothes on the backs of me and my brother.
Please contact me about any letter writing campaign or up coming rally for the players. Also if someone keep me informed of when the Guys have to go to court, It seems they might need a little more protection when coming and going.
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Good morning guys, take a breather, start a new day. It seems that Niphong, Baker, et. al. are the Dark Side. The DPD sounds honest and well trained. If the corruption does not extend to them, then give them your support! Don't bite the hand that can be your friend in particular when the future of these boys are in need of reasoned minds.
Also, kudos to Kerstin Kimel and the women's LaCrosse team. They almost beat the defending champions. Well, done! Also, thanks for the support they gave to the men's team by wearing the bands.
If we want to help Reade, Colin, and David, then we must be positive, strong, and graceful. There is a great definition of courage: grace under fire (someone famous said that, not me) That is what made Duke great. We need it now more than ever.
To all the Durhamites who have been posting here: You may all think there is only or two of two, but there are in fact many more of you who believe in the innocence of these boys. We will contact those who communicated with us via e-mail, and try to get you in touch with one other. We will do this carefully so as to not expose anyone without their wish. I hope these numbers will grow soon. Your help is much too important.
To the poster 4 messages above (10:02pm): Thank you for pointing out the establishment of a rival website. Thank you for the information. Based on your description, I personally will not visit that site. Any comparison made between the sites by reasonable people will probably speak for itself. At least we know they take notice.
AV's story changes to rape when told she was to be involuntarily committed!
"A handwritten narrative report by Sgt. J.C. Shelton that is attached to the motion says the accuser first reported being raped after officers had decided to involuntary commit her."
Officers initially encountered her in a supermarket parking lot and had to use ammonia capsules to rouse her from a parked car, according to court documents.
The woman then reportedly told officers that she was groped by some of the men who pulled her from a car, but was not forced to have sex. According to Shelton, the accuser then told a doctor examining her for evidence of rape that she had been raped."
DURHAM, N.C. -- Lawyers for one of three Duke University men's lacrosse players charged with rape say in a motion filed Thursday that they want the accuser's descriptions to police of the men she says attacked her.
"At some point in their interviews and investigations, one or more of these officers asked (the accuser) to describe the men who she claims sexually assaulted her, and (she) provided some answer to that question," the motion filed by lawyers Bill Cotter and Wade Smith said. Her "response to that question is critical to the defense of the case and the state may not withhold that evidence from the defendant."
Cotter and Smith represent Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y., who is charged along with Dave Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md., and Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., with raping a woman hired to perform as a stripper at a March 13 team party.
District Attorney Mike Nifong gave defense lawyers nearly 1,300 pages of evidence last week, saying it was his complete case file.
Smith and Cotter argue in their motion filed in Durham Superior Court that can't be true. They say that there's only one instance in the evidence they've been given when the accuser is asked to describe her attackers.
The response is contained in what appears to be an investigator's note, they said.
"I asked her questions trying to follow up on a better description of the suspects, she was unable to remember anything further about the suspects," the note from Durham police investigator B.W. Himan says, according to the motion.
The thing I wonder about is just what the DA has got. There must be something other than a statement. Or maybe not. Maybe there is not one shred of evidence and he got what he wanted - reelected - and figures to just ride out the storm in a year or two when the case comes to trial. One of the analysts on Fox speculated that all he could possibly have is another player making an incriminating statement. It's pretty clear there is no physical evidence at all.
Personally I think he might have got taken in a bit by the forensic nurse's report. I would love to learn more about her background because she clearly wrote up a slanted report that jumped to a lot of conclusions and the fact there was no toxicology sample taken is a huge, huge, oversight - and that is putting it kindly.
There are rumors that the SANE nurse has a Women's Studies degree. There's an educational experience that'll really make an impartial observer out of you, for a rape examination.
Do any NC lawyers know the answer to this question?
It is a right to have a jury of one's peers. But can a defendant get a bench trial (judge as trier of act and law)? If so, is it his choice or must DA agree?
Prior post again alludes to talking heads postulating a lacrosse player as a defense witness. If there was such a person with respect to Seligmann, the DA was required to disclose that when he handed over discovery file. Also, such a hypothetical witness would have known Seligmann was not at the party during rape and should have bee able to confirm Evans making it possible to indict him at the same time as Seligmann and Finnerty. It would appear Nifong's silver bullet does not exist.
According to the May 25, "Request for Discovery & Motion to Compel
filed by DAvid Evans Attorney, the SANE nurse was still in training.
So was the Doctor who examined the alleged victim.
Well, well, well, the combination of women's studies degree and SANE
nurse still in training does not sound as if the exam was an objective one.
The nurse found "tenderness" in the breasts. That means perhaps it was about 10 days before her next menstrual cycle. Edema in the vaginal tissues is consistent with recent intercourse. Intercourse with 5 clients, 2 drivers and 1 boyfriend in 2 days might produce edema.
Are Nifong (TPOS) and Durham Police Dept Hiding Evidence??
12 out of 17 sections of the rape exam were missing.
DA(TPOS) & DPD just happened to leave out the fact that there were two previous "ID line-up" given to the accuser. where she didn't not ID any of her so called attackers. none of the notes or records of these 2 accounts were turned over to the defense lawyers.
the notes and reports are missing from 2 Durham police officers that were on duty and were also investigating the incident that night.
Nifong (TPOS) stated that he had turned over ALL the evidence in this case to the defense.
isn't with holding evidence a crime?
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There is only one crime greater than being a white, heterosexual male anymore - and that is the "aggravating circumstance" of also having come from a family which has a bit of money. When this thing does fall apart, I want to see both the accuser and the prosecutor locked up for a long, long time. But, I also know it ain't gonna happen.
The whole thing is a sick manifestation of victimhood that the race warlords have been drumming up for years.
Maybe this is the last hurrah because the public sees the disparities, or maybe this is the big one.
Brian Taylor, the "driver" who drove the a/v to 610 Buchanan is said to be one of the owners of her escort agency, Bunnyhole Entertainment.
This story about this "driver" sounds a lot like a trick which may have been paid for by providing a ride.
Why did she never call him again until early morning? And why wasn't he surprised when he didn't hear from her? And why did her family not matter to him?
Because she was a hooker he barely knew.
How far is Brian Taylor's residence from 610 Buchanan?
How long have the police know about Brian Taylor?
What links does Taylor have to Bunnyhole Entertainment?
How difficult is it to find Buchanan from where Taylor lives?
What time did Taylor drop AV off?
Who did she receive the calls from?
Did she make any calls while in the car?
Had she ever been to Taylor's residence before?
What exactly is the relationship between Taylor and the AV?
So one of the two "drivers" finally speaks. What a great guy, he drops her off and is suppose to pick her back up in a couple of hours.
After a few hours he doesn't hear from her but can't be bothered to check up on her. He doesn't hear from her till 7am the next morning. At this time she tells him to pick up her kids. But he doesn't do it because he doesn't know her that well. Which begs another question of why a woman would send a man to pick up her kids that she doesn't know that well.
The driver is probably lying and knows her better than he's letting on. Remember the cop from the radio transmission tape.
2:12:08 AM “Uh, um, yeah call and see if you can’t get somebody to go up to Charles street there and check on the young ‘uns”
Either she called the driver/pimp/boyfriend/whatever or the cops called him.
After the first five minutes of Seligman's hearing, I knew Judge Stephens was bad news.
Judge Stephens broadcasted it loud and clear - if you think I'm going to be the one to stop this runaway train - you are looking at the wrong guy!
From what I heard on 770 WABC Radio, Stephens eats lunch with Nifong once a month and Stephens knows where his bread is buttered.
Stephens grandstanded in that hearing and made sure his sound bytes would give him the biggest bang for his buck.
To his Durham audience, Stephens proclaims this case is not going ahead of any case; these defendants will be treated just like anyone else.
Stephens can play and act like this players are getting treated like everyone else, but I seriously doubt other defendants have the City Manager interviewing beat cops and characterizing their statements in a public report.
Other defendants don't have posters made of them (even players that didn't attend the party) and disseminated at 3 University Protests directed at them. Name another defendant that paid for his own Lie Detector test and had to contend with a DA doing 70 National interviews insisting the evidence against them was irrefutable, yet no charges were pending.
Judge Stephens bad act is transparent to everyone that has ever seen a bad politician.
At this point, we know Nifong was lying like nobody's business to the press in the early phases, and at best he was dissembling. Lying to the Court is another thing entirely. These defense attorneys are pretty sharp, and this may come up in Seligman's motion to recuse Nifong, as in :Judge, he not only dissembles and decives the public, he has engaged in a scheme or artifice to defraud the court," and then laundry list his prevarications.
And most galling of all, dingbat Brodhead and Duke University crawled into bed with Nifong and his crew, abandoning 46 of their own students. But then, Duke is nothing more than a marxist hate whites racist propaganda machine after 40 years of feminazi and minority studies programs.
One thing I am certain of: there will be more facts coming out that will show even more decisively that this whole thing was a "crock."
There are strong rumors that Finnerty's alibi is far more powerful than Seligmans. And Finnerty's lawyers are just waiting for the dingbat DA to commit to a timeline before dropping that bomb.
I was reading the case of a family that claimed their daughter was molested at a Synagogue by a construction worker at the synagogue. The report I read said that the family used the laws to shield the child's identity and prevent the Defense lawyers from finding out other similar claims they had made. To make a long story short the family acutally OWNS the synagogue after the settlement.
Only after settlement, it was discovered that the family had made other similar claims and lawsuits.
The more we know about this case, the more we know about the active misconduct of Nifong and others who work for the city of Durham.
It is not just Nifong, it is everyone, Mayor, Council members, City manager, even the school board.
When you add it all up, the sum is a conspiracy that probably needs FBI investigation and Justice Dept prosecution.
But it will never happen, since the motto of the Justice Department is "civil rights for all but whites."
Neither Nifong nor anyone else in the Durham power structure will be held accountable by the state bar or anyone in state or local government due to the "demographics." of North Carolina.
This sort of thing could happen to any white person living in North Carolina or any area with similiar "demographics."
And how many people have the kind of money that the Finnertys. Seligmanns and Evanses have. Who could come up with $400,000 in full, not the usual 10% bail?
Speaking of bail, remember the same week Seligmann and Finnerty were required to post $400,000 in full a black man charged with murder was allowed to post $5,00, 10% of $50,000 bail.
The judge is very concerned about the cell phone. He mentioned that it might be owned by someone else and that would raise third party AND FOURTH PARTY concerns. The judge is clearly with his FOURTH PARTY remark worried about whose number might be on that cell phone. He order the phone information not be released until it can be viewed "in camera."
Durham is a small city. The A/v
recieived special treatment after her car theft trying to run over a police officer arrest.
Does anyone living in Durham know what is really going on? What connections does the a/v with the power structure?
I remember about 20 years ago, a man named Roger Boas ran for Mayor of San Francisco. A 15 year old prostitute saw the posters up around town and recognized him as a steady customer of her teenage
squad of prostitutes.
The newspapers found out about it and of course his political career was finished.
Of course I'm not saying that the a/v has any connection to any public officials in Durham.
The NC Attorney General is merely another political pawn of the Democratic Governor, a former Attorney General himself. They do nothing about corruption in this state.
Hell will freeze over before fellow Demonrat Atty General does anything about the shameful criminal events in Durham.
Unfortunately, the same liberal insanity that is at work in the US Congress with the Congressman caught red handed in bribery - but yet sits in Congress today - has a death grip on NC Politics.
We have one of the most corrupt Democrats in the nation in power over in the NC Legislature, Jim Black. Yet still he sits there, still in his position of party power.
Didn't you know? If a politician of any stripe is a Democrat, WHO IS PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT TO BE CORRUPT AND/OR CRIMINAL - no matter. They ignore the truth, the facts, and cling to power. Period.
And NC has nothing, no one, certainly Durham has nothing, of any power able to remove the offending one from office. Durham (Democrats only-no Republicans ran) had a chance to vote Nifong out but what did Durham do? They kept this criminal in power because he did their bidding. And that's that.
Don't wonder why Nifong won the primary. He did exactly what his constituents wanted him to do, go on a vicious racist whitch hunt against whites, any whites he could grab in his trolling net.
I take no position on the Duke rape allegations, and I am an alumnus of Duke. I await the judgment of the judicial system. I flatter myself to be on the side of truth and justice and humbly hope that it is more than flattery.
However, I do note the appalling dichotomy between the (1) the gravity given the Duke allegations by the Left, notably the "Mainstream Newsmedia" (i.e. its Political Machine), and (2) the dismissal and trivializing of the claims of Juanita Broaddrick by the same Left, notably the "Mainstream Newsmedia" (i.e. its Political Machine).
This appalling dichotomy is nothing unusual. It is part of the general hypocrisy, ruthlessness (sometimes subtle, sometimes not), illogic, inconsistency, mendacity, and essential malevolence of the Left.
The fact also cannot be ignored that this dichotomy is an example of how the Left will say or do anything to advance its agenda. It's agenda, of course, stripped to the fundamental, is power for its own sake, nothing more.
There's little or no hope for Durham. It is so corrupt I can't imagine what could eliminate the corruption.
In the last City Council and mayor's race, 8 out of 16 of the candidates had criminal records. It sounds worse than New Orleans. And the Chief of Police of Durham, has anybody seen him? Seriously. Has anybody seen him? Has he made even one statement? Does he exist?
Here is some information about the absolute corruption in Durham and the influence of various black organizations, the same groups that organized the howling pot bangers.
And did you also know that on March 31, 2006:
President Brodhead meets with Durham Mayor Bell, NCCU Chancellor Ammons, local ministers and leaders of the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People. He also communicates with alumni and parents about the lacrosse situation.
Duke Student Government issues statement condemning sexual assault, violence and racial intolerance.
Vice President for Student Affairs sends e-mail alerting Duke students to a rumor reported by the Durham Police to students living off-campus of a planned "drive-by shooting" of a house near Duke's East Campus, emphasizing there was no reliable information to support the rumor.
And lastly, more on the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People.
"There are few other U.S. cities where African Americans wield as much political clout.
The population is roughly half black and half white; the majority of city council members are black. An organization called the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People has been influencing community affairs since the 1930s, when a large black middle class grew up around North Carolina Central, a black university, and Pear Street, which was known as the black Wall Street.
Whites aren't allowed to attend meetings, but the committee has a long history of working closely with a progressive white organization called the People's Alliance. The People's Alliance is mostly Duke feminazis and marxist studies professors.
Don't even think of running for public office in Durham unless you have an endorsement from this powerful committee.
And now for some interesting stuff in re the election primaries in Durham -- regarding School Boards:--snips:
"For the first time since its creation in 1992, incumbents have been -- thankfully -- thrown off the school board by Bull Citizens. African-American voters rejected the tactics of Jackie Wagstaff in District 1 and Regina George-Bowden in District 2 and embraced their opponents.
So after 14 years of racially split votes and incivility on both sides of the color line, we now know how disappointing a school board member has to be to get sent home under our racially split district system.
It's also the first time in my memory that the endorsement of the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People -- frequently called simply "the Committee" -- has been so disregarded by African-American voters.
The Committee's endorsement did help other candidates win their races -- Rep. David Price and Sheriff Worth Hill -- or get into runoffs -- Larry Hall and Anita Smith in House District 29. But in two districts drawn on racial lines to ensure that the Committee would have control of those seats, their candidates were soundly defeated. A third member of the Committee slate -- Steve Matherly -- came in at an unsurprisingly distant third in his race for District 3.
For years, Committee leaders had been promising to defeat Wagstaff, but they could not keep her and George-Bowden from packing their endorsement meeting with supporters. Perhaps the incumbents couldn't make the endorsements stick, because Committee leaders didn't stick with the endorsements.
This scenario is even more unusual when you consider that the historically democratic Committee has for a number of years tightened up eligibility requirements to prevent candidates from packing meetings with supporters.
Regardless, in District 1, Omega Curtis Parker edged past the 40 percent mark and avoided a runoff.
Dolores Davis Paylor also outpolled Wagstaff, 33 percent to 25 percent.
Interestingly, the Republican Party endorsed Parker, a Democrat, who won by only a few more votes than there were Republicans voting in that district. Add in the stealth Republicans who've switched to unaffiliated over the years so they can vote in Democratic primaries and it's within the realm of possibility that Parker's Republican endorsement gave her a winning edge.
Okey-doke. Now, who are the powerbrokers behind Nifong. The "Committee" at its website said they were endorsing Keith Bishop, who lost, to Nifong. But apparently, the Committee's "Sheriff" got the win.
"District 2, the Rev. Fred Davis energized supporters who possibly canvassed every house in the district. Davis defeated George-Bowden by a landslide, 53 percent to 33 percent. D.J. Waldow came in at less than 13 percent, even with an endorsement from the Friends of Durham, a moderately conservative white group.Hmm.. who are the Friends of Durham?
Here's who the Committee endorsed.
And in re Nifong's win? "After the election results came in, yellow-shirted Nifong supporters chanted his name as they planned what they called a Cinco-de-Miko party in honor of his victory"
Apparently there is a group called The Durham People's Alliance who works in tandem with Lavonia's "Committee".
OH HELLO! Guess who supported Mike Nifong's Campaign? April 13th, 2006--snips:
"With a spirited race for DA and sheriff, I wouldn't be surprised if we did quite well" at the polls despite a lack of big-name races, said Tom Miller of the Durham People's Alliance.
David Smith, with Friends of Durham, said that the DA race "might excite some people" because of its high-profile candidates.
"Normally, people don't know or care what the DA does, but in this case there's more interest because of who the people are," said Smith. Smith also said there's definitely more buzz about the House seat in District 29 being vacated by state Rep. Paul Miller.
Both the Durham People's Alliance and Friends of Durham have recently released their election endorsements.
Following are both groups' explanations of some key endorsements:
Both endorsed incumbent Mike Nifong for District Attorney. Nifong has a longstanding rapport with the People's Alliance and, "Our general feeling was that he is a person of high integrity and great skill," said Tom Miller. "He's a tough but fair and honest prosecutor. When you have the state power concentrated in one person, you want that person to be thoughtful and sober."
Smith cited Nifong's experience as a prosecutor and his managerial skills as reasons for the endorsement.
The NAACP has had enough of the truth coming out. They are now having their attorneys demand a GAG order from the Judge in this case. Can't have any more facts come out that might shape public opinion, now can we?
Even these power pushers have seen the total and blatant fake that this woman is. But now they can't come down against her - a sister - can they - after their constituents just re-elected Nifong? So, what to do. Demand an end to the TRUTH TELLING that has been done by the defense attorneys so no more image of their darling being messed up by the truth.
Durham is a crime ridden hole. Duke is one of the few areas anywhere near downtown where you'd feel safe walking around at night.
TO: "I am an alumnus of Duke"
could you please say "dichotomy" once more for me :)
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Why isn't somebody, white or black, doing a review of criminal statistics in Durham to point out how many whites girls are raped by black men? Just to contribute to the "dialogue", of course.
Of course that might be a little embarassing to the city manager, mayor, Da, school board, city council etc etc
The entire thing sounds like the Tawana Brawley case. Only now instead of Sharpton doing the political posturing you have an over zealous DA, up for reelection making a political stance at the expense of two lives. Unless he's got something on the kids that is not being revealed, it doesn't look like there is much of a case.
Even throwing away Duke's chances at a national Lacrosse Title, without due process was a knee jerk reaction (it would have been interesting watching crowd reaction and antics).
The Brawley case hits home since it occurred in where i grew up. Dutchess County is still a very tight-knight community, lots of big extended families with huge networks of friends their relatives that all know each other. I've mentioned a few times how dad was friends with people as diverse as G. Gordon Liddy, William Kuenstler and Pete Seeger, while my brother was friends with Keith Idema, the local gun-nut
One of my sister's friends was Harry Crist, who killed himself after being listed as a prime suspect in the Brawley Case
"How far is Brian Taylor's residence from 610 Buchanan?"
18 minutes on a good day. Obviously a lot more if you get lost. Fits with the timeline that she arrived at 12 midnight.
Brian Taylor is well known in Durham.
Nifong's case in chief is already in shambles, and Crystal's story hinges entirely on the SANE report. My guess is that he will simply authenticate the report with little or no further questions. At this point, he might as well throw the SANE nurse under the bus because every conceivable witness (from Crystal to every police officer to the Durham Access Center to the Duke police and on and on) has to be discredited in whole or in part. This prosecution is a sick joke.
His case in chief will last about an hour, consisting of the SANE report, Crystal's newest version of events and in-court ID, the infamous DNA on the fake fingernail, and that's about it.
Probably exactly what he told the grand jury. I still think there is a fair chance this will never get to trial because eventually a real court will get hold of this.
Even Nifong is smart enough not to introduce that sane report. If he does, in exchange for testimony about swelling he gets a cross-exam about her sexual activity in the prior 72 hours that might have caused said swelling. As I said, surely even Nifong is smart to understand this?
After reading latest documents and motions we see that she did not say she was sodomized until 36 hours after the event when she, at her convenience, met with police.
After she had ample time to consult with the "boyfriend" a man well known to the police and on parole.
Someone 'helped her memory' by guiding her toward the wealthiest players.
Maybe the reason it took longer to identify David Evans is because her helpers had to research him to make sure they didn't strike out with another player who wasn't even there during the supposed main event. They found a target who had all the credentials: (a) wealthy family and (b) was there that night and (c) was automatically suspicious because he rented the house.
It was a given that his DNA was going to be on SOMETHING that could be tested, and maybe someone was smart enough to figure that out.
I think Nifong is hoping to be recused from this case ... maybe that explains all of this insanity. If he does not lead the case (it will be taken by a less experienced associate .... though Nifong has NO experience himself with sexual assault trials) ... if he is taken off the case then one of his associate DAs takes the case. When things blow up (as they certainly will) Nifong is still "safe" as he can say that he was not able to prosecute it as he would have liked. I have never paid attention to District Attorney elections in the past .... but I will study them like the night before finals from now on.
Evans being the one (if he was) to retrieve and offer the fingernails to the cops would almost guarantee his DNA would be on the fingernail (the cops wore gloves and he did not), over and above the fact that he lived there and used the bathroom and its wastebasket) regularly
Re Nifong and SANE report: Nifong is in a box. If he doesn't introduce the SANE report, the defense will. I think he HAS to introduce it. (not in the sense that he is REQUIRED to, but not doing so would make his case worse)
"He looks like one of the guys who assaulted me, sort of," the accuser tells police officers in pointing out Evans, according to the motion. She then says she would be 90 percent sure of the identification if the man had a mustache, the motion said.
Good enough for the Durham prosecutor. Sheesh, what travesty.
Prediction: She starts accusing the cops, prosecutors, and/or other officials involved in her case of rape. Should be fun watching the DA backpedal like a madman.
I wonder why the 43 other lacrosse players don't file a lawsuit agains Crimestoppers for showing their pictures all over the community as if they are all being accused? Why should Crimestoppers be exempt?
Anonymous is right. Pretty soon she'll say it was the cop who tried to rape her. And I'll bet that is exactly what happened. She threatened the cop with rape if he committed her ot the Durham mental health (alcohol detox) center.
He then took her to a hospital to make sure he was cleared of the possibility.
When she got there, she started babbling rape....but not to the cops that had brought her there. Then she figured it wouldn't work and instead switched to the Duke boy story. One way or another, she was going to get out of being committed to a rehab center or drunk tank. It worked.
Funny, that "3" became and important number....the same number she used years ago in another "rape" claim. And then there's the "3"-boyfriend and two drivers??
Wonder how many times she has "feigned" rape for her clients. A favorite male fantasy, yes? She must have this trauma down pat by now.
According to the motion, the woman may have wavered during her initial meeting with police about whether or not she was assaulted.
A handwritten narrative report by Sgt. J.C. Shelton that is attached to the motion alleges that the accuser first reported being raped after officers had decided to involuntary commit her."
How about this for a possibility. The team photo that has been circulating has the players in alphabetical order and Evans photo is right next to Finnerty's. Maybe she got a hold of the team photo and remember the one next to Finnerty. Of course there are other scenarios like picking the richest players. You can never count out a coughing cop scenario.
Then there is the are you sure he isn't the one scenario. Maybe AV was just getting tired of looking at pictures and just picked one. Or maybe AV just threw darts at a dart board with the team photo and Evans was the one AV hit.
Evans being the one to retrieve and offer the fingernails to the cops would almost guarantee his DNA was on it, over and above the fact that he lived there and used the bathroom and its wastebasket) regularly
Maybe whoever 'helped' AV decide which player to finger next even knew about him handling the fingernails, or possibly not. They needed to find some DNA on something from her, didn't they, and somebody would certainly be smart enough to know that he or his roommate were the best shots because they lived there. I doubt if she can even spell DNA, that decision process belongs to someone else, quite possibly even Nifong (by having someone 'steer' her that way.).
One thing is for certain - I think the choice of David Evans was too convenient to be circumstance. I think he got targeted for several reasons, none of which have anything to do with him (or the others) laying a finger on her that night.
"According to the motion, the woman may have wavered during her initial meeting with police about whether or not she was assaulted.
A handwritten narrative report by Sgt. J.C. Shelton that is attached to the motion alleges that the accuser first reported being raped after officers had decided to involuntary commit her."
Prediction: She starts accusing the cops, prosecutors, and/or other officials involved in her case of rape. Should be fun watching the DA backpedal like a madman.
Sickening spectacle. A serious college would sue this lunatic prosecutor and the city of Durham into tommorrow-morrow land and would probably be in the process of finding another town to move to.
But duke is so PC and so consummed with hatred for white men that it allows the feminazis and ethnic studies profs to trample over the rights of the lacrosse players.
Where are all the advocates for those who are falsely accused and unjustly imprisoned? Their silence is deafening.
Isn't there something called the Innocence Project funded by the ACLU and all the usual suspects dedicated to getting rapists convicted before DNA testing out of prison?
Where are they?
Pretty soon she'll say it was the cop who tried to rape her. And I'll bet that is exactly what happened. She threatened the cop with rape if he committed her to the Durham Access Center aka involuntary drunk tank. He then took her to a hospital to make sure he was cleared of the possibility.
When she got there, she started babbling rape....but not to the cops that had brought her there. Then she figured it wouldn't work and instead switched to the Duke boy story. One way or another, she was going to get out of being committed to a rehab center or drunk tank. It worked.
Funny, that "3" became and important number....the same number she used years ago in another "rape" claim. And then there's the "3"-boyfriend and two drivers??
Wonder how many times she has "feigned" rape for her clients. A favorite male fantasy, yes? She must have this trauma down pat by now.
People administering IDs can convey things even unintentionally. We all learned how to read non-verbal language before we read or spoke sentences.
With this bunch it's easy to believe it was overt and intentional, but it didn't have to be.
I think the Investigators, the same guy administering the photo lineup, thought the bunch of them was lying. There was a wall of silence. Even though they had been threatened and rattled - the 18 and 19 years olds held firm in the face of adversity. I think the investigators (they ALWAYS have a theory) most likely thought the 23 old uniamiously voted as Team Captain - David Evans - was one of the only guys the could keep them all in line. So, either they thought he was holding them together or they may have thought if Evans was facing charges and pressure was brought to bear on him, he may back off on the flock or cave and bring the whole thing down like a house of cards.
It's only a theory, but I do know how the media works. Most of these media people run with theories given to them off-the-record or hinted at during a supposed hypothetical conversation. I don't think it was a coincidence that Geraldo was on National TV with O'Reilly saying that the week of the indictments he expected the soft white boys to run to the DA to get plea deals to avoid 20 year sentences.
I think someone on the Prosecution side of house was floating those theories and it also explains why the media was also so sure the team was guilty. Ostensibly they were not going to run and plead to crimes they didn't commit.
How many times has a Doctor or Nurse asked you questions during or after a test and you KNEW from the question or their reaction there was a problem with the test?
If the prosecution thought this was the guy, they could've easily telegraphed it before the offical lineup process. If I keep asking you questions about one guy and keep showing you his picture. It doesn't take long to pick up on the fact that you have suspicions about that guy.
His office is pre-occupied with this case. Nifong has made the highly unusual announcement that he himself will even try this case.
I'd write the list of serious crimes that have occured in Durham over the last 45 days, but I do not want to get Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.
I know kids have been shot, a man was shot point blank in the face. A man was found murdered in a Car dealer's lot. There's been home invasions. Multiple Rapes.
Children have been poisoned (Lead-poisoning) by Durham City Water - and the City Manager is running around playing Public advocate and spokesperson for Mike Nifong as it relates to this case.
Even the manpower that is being used to "protect" the AV is ridiculous in a place with serious crime problems like Durham.
This is why Distric Attorneys have a responsiblity to only bring cases that they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, due to the practical realities of our justice system.
But of course when the entire elected and affirmative action civil service city government is motivated mostly by hatred of whites why is it surprising that they ignore the contaminated city water?
Any one of us could be the next victim of the DA - I just wonder what the recourse could be on this. Can the DA be effectively sued?
It's my understanding that everything, at this point, discovery wise, must be in the hands of the defense team and they would be hard pressed to be out there lying about what is or is not there. I just don't get it.
Also, the black/white part is really disburbing if that has anything to do with the DA moving forward. I'd say that that would be racism - with the DA the racist.
Well what may be happening in Durham could be as simple as a prime example of the "Peter Principle."
1. Nifong has clearly been promoted over his ability. Who knows maybe he was a ok when he had boss he was directly answerable to.
2. Nifong stirred up much African-American passion in the community. The adults who can right this situation both have to run for reelectin and don't want to spark a riot in their community.
So we observe the Judge not hear the bond reduction. The judge doing much preening about treating this case just like any other. This of course could, as many here worry, be evidence that Durham is corupt to the core. But it could be that the Judge is one of the adults and knows this case will end in a way that could cause bad things like riots to happen in Durham. If you were the judge, wouldn't you want to stress over and over you were treating this case like any other?
To me the one behavior I worry about the judge is that he did not admonish Nifong for his smirking in court when the defense council was talking.
Loud mouth Steven A. Smith has a bad boring interview show on ESPN too.
That Smith is offended that the young women of the Duke women's lacrosse team support their friends who are being falsely accused of rape. Naturally he is offended that are not willing to play the group politics he wants. He wants them to identify as women rather than as Duke students or lacrosse players.
That is the racists/sexist left for you. They think group identity is all that matters and you better identify with the group they stereotype you into.
Friday's defense motion also said there was no report about the earlier photo lineups included in the documents Nifong gave defense lawyers. But the April 4 session in which she identified the three suspects was videotaped, and both the video and a written transcript of the session were included in the material given to the defense teams.
The motion uses the apparent discrepancy in record-keeping as one example to suggest the defense hasn't yet been given all police records related to the case, even though Nifong said in a court filing May 18 that the state's "entire file" had been handed over.
"Multiple law enforcement officers who participated in investigative activities in this case did not record their activities as required by law, or they did not turn those records over to the Durham County District Attorney's Office as required by law, or the District Attorney's Office did not turn them over to the Defendant as required by law," the motion argues. It goes on to ask a judge to issue a series of orders ensuring that all records of the investigation are given to the defense.
Included with the motion, the handwritten report by Shelton, the Durham police sergeant, provides far greater detail than anything previously in the public record about the accuser's demeanor and statements on the night in question. Shelton was the first officer to arrive at the house where the lacrosse party took place at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. the night of March 13.
Police went to the home after an unidentified woman told a 911 operator that she was driving by when men began calling her racial slurs.
In fact, the woman, Kim Roberts, was an exotic dancer hired to perform with the accuser at the party. Roberts has since acknowledged contacting a New York publicity firm trying to capitalize on her involvement in the case.
According to Shelton's narrative:
-- Shelton left 610 N. Buchanan after finding no one home. A neighbor told him a "rowdy" party had recently broken up.
-- A few minutes later, police were called to the Kroger on Hillsborough Road because a woman wouldn't get out of another woman's car. Again, Shelton was nearby and was first on the scene.
-- The owner of the car told Shelton that she had been driving down Buchanan Boulevard and saw the other woman -- now in her passenger seat -- walking along the street and that a group of white men at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. were yelling racial slurs at her, so she offered her a ride to safety. (In fact, though, the car owner was Roberts, the second dancer.)
-- The woman in the passenger seat was "wearing a see-through red outfit, with no undergarments and one white high-heel shoe." She appeared unconscious, so Shelton got an ammonia capsule from his car. In response to the capsule, the woman began "mouth breathing, which is a sign that she was not really unconscious," Shelton wrote.
-- Shelton said he tried to pull the woman from the car, but that she grabbed the emergency brake handle to keep from being pulled out. He finally got her out and she collapsed on the ground.
-- Because the woman wouldn't tell officers her name or where she lived, they decided to take her to the Durham Access Center, a mental health and substance abuse facility. There, the woman said she had been raped at 610 N. Buchanan. So Shelton directed that she be transferred to Duke University Hospital's emergency room.
-- At Duke, the accuser told Shelton she was a stripper and had been hired to dance at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. After their show, she said, she and the other dancer got in a car to leave, but that some of the men wanted them to go back inside. "She said at the point some of the guys from the party pulled her from the vehicle and groped her. She told me that no one forced her to have sex," Shelton wrote.
-- Shelton went outside to call his watch commander to tell him the woman had recanted her rape allegation. But then someone told him the woman told a doctor that she had been raped. Shelton called the watch commander back to tell him "she had changed her story back to being raped."
-- Shelton went back inside and asked the woman "if she had or had not been raped. She told me she did not want to talk to me anymore and then started crying and saying something about them dragging her into the bathroom."
Shelton says he left the hospital after the watch commander told him the Police Department's Criminal Investigations Division had been notified.
About 36 hours later, the woman told investigators she had been raped, sodomized, beaten and strangled by three men in the bathroom at the lacrosse party house, according to police affidavits.
The defense motion filed Friday says that, "incredibly," the information provided by Nifong contains no record about the woman's time at Durham Access Center. Nor does it contain reports by two other police officers who were involved in the situation that night, the motion complains.
In addition, Nifong provided documentation pertaining to only five of 17 sections of a Sexual Assault Exam Report, the motion adds, indicating that the exam was performed by an in-training forensic nurse.
"About 36 hours later, the woman told investigators she had been raped, sodomized, beaten and strangled by three men in the bathroom at the lacrosse party house, according to police affidavits."
Not only was she completely trashed and changed her story multiple times, there is no way possible that the attending physician would have failed to spot physical signs on her body if any of these events had really happened.
I've been saying since the beginning that this entire thing was a hoax and I still stick to that. It's not only an election-year race card ploy, it's a witch hunt against three young men with no proof whatsoever they attacked her.
This is an exercise. After the election, Mr. Nifong will treat his special-interest groups (blacks and feminazis in this situation) like Democrats always treat their voters AFTER the election. That means he will drop all the charges and try to make everybody forget this ever happened.
History repeats itself because people don't change.
"In addition, Nifong provided documentation pertaining to only five of 17 sections of a Sexual Assault Exam Report, the motion adds, indicating that the exam was performed by an in-training forensic nurse."
If I were a defense attorney, I would proceed on the assumption that the other 12 sections of the SANE report were inconsistent with rape.
When is someone going to pander to white resentment over black racism?" I don't want to get dragged into a Durham, NC rape case, but I certainly don't want the New Black Panthers going in and marching about something that isn't their issue, either. Even more, when "black activists" get all upset about something, it is totally understood that somewhere in the mix is alot of money. I am sick unto death of getting shaken down by "black activists"and their incredibly offensive racist rhetoric. We ought to stop lying to minorities, pandering to minorities and rolling over and playing dead when minorities pull stuff like this.
Bill Cosby is trying to tell them the truth and being vilified for it.
I thought North Carolina, as a state, was tough on crime. I remember reading an article a while back saying just that and it said they have thrown people in Jail for not showing up for Jury Duty - in an adjacent county.
The 3 weekends for the AV,with the car theft and trying to run over a police officer that's gotta be something related to an informer.
I don't see how a judge looks the Police officer in the eye after he testifies in court that she tried to run him over - and the COP has been always been consistent on that.
I was horrified by the New Black Panthers who spoke on Fox news this week to Bill Oreilly re the duke case and re 9-11. Their statment = "there are no good white people - if you do happen to find a GOOD WHIE PERSON KILL THEM BEFORE THEY BECOME EVIL" Please someone explain to me how this is possibly First amendment protected speech? Isn't this more akin to yelling FIRE ina crowded theater? ora hate CRIME ? How can a person say this on tv without being arrested for inciting violence. What would happen if a black person listened to bill oreilys interview and then went out and killed a white child teen or father or mother?
This is sickening beyond repulsive and to me CRIMINAL Behavior - and these were the people outide the ctroom and allowed into a ct of law???? Wahtis the deal with NORTH CAROLINA ? and their atty general? I don't even want to go to the situation where a white person ever told people on national tv to go kill a black person - first it would never be broadcast and second they would be arrested and convicted of a hate crime !!!
I truly hate to chill everyone to the bone but here it is - the reason nfong hasn't dropped the case is that he knows that he can get a jury of sympathetic durhamites to convict these boys without any evidence- a reverse oj. And this would not be just a jury of blacks. No white person in durham would acquit these boys havign to do so publically withtheir name eventually being released to local papers or by other jurors. They have to continue living in durham. If they own a gas station, they would never get any customers again. Look a the pressure jury of scott peterson was put under - and that was in a far more cosmipolitan town in ca. BTW I'm not sayign anything pro or con about that case except for the fact that certain jurors readily admitted that they were under enormous pressure to convict peterson-- look at the jury foreman who wanted ot acquit but who had to leave the jury because of pressure from the other jurors and this was an educated engineer- can you imagine the pressure of any juror trying to acquit one of these boys in durham ?
Alas the only hope is change of venue and that is whay nfong will fight this with everything (and others in durham will fight such a motion as well. It is a very scary place........
Who would send their white male kid to school in a locale like this, where some insane prosecutor, backed by a majority of the local population, has a vendetta against them, and is silling to subvert the legal system to pursue it? If I had a kid at Duke right now, he'd be going someplace else next year.
"Who would send their white male kid to school in a locale like this..."
This is what the Duke flacks are so worried about. If this case continues through next year, Duke will likely face two choices
1. Become for the near-term a local-regional rather than national school
2. Move the undergrad campus.
We may be seeing the first recent example of a malicious prosecution changing a city and a college.
It is easy to see 10 years from now a Durham that is blacker, poorer and more corrupt and a Duke that has hunkered down behind its high walls and is doing its best to hide.
Maybe the reason it took longer to identify David Evans is because her helpers had to research him to make sure they didn't strike out with another player who wasn't even there during the supposed main event.
When the Investigators were dispatched to the dorms to question the players without their Legal Counsel (highly unusual), mind you the day AFTER the first 2 indictments were signed, the investigators wanted them to answer questions about WHICH players were at the party.
What are the odds the fourth guy she IDed in the 3rd (final) lineup was not at the party.
I don't know if Nifong in his enclave of Durham sees the case realisticly. He is in a jurisdiction where the jury pool, the affirmative action police force and appointed and elected officials are either black or totally dependent on black voters to stay in office.
Durham has had 3 University protests against these boys and the electorate in the City is absolutely hostile towards the LAX players. I saw Nifong laughing in Court when Seligman's attorney mentioned his alibi. I've heard reports that Nifong speaking off the record is still very confident, just very upset.
And then, if the Change of Venue is not granted, Nifong has a real chance. If the trial is held in Durham, the players will be found guilty and given the maximum sentence. The jury will be mostly black. Like the OJ jury, the jury will be in constant contact with
the black activists. Any juror thinking of aquittal will be threatened and pressured like the OJ jurors were.
I think back to the Totally Unbelievable comment Nifong made
when asked about a report of the AV saying it was 20 men first and then 3. He said he wasn't aware of that, and he said if a statement like that was made, he didn't think it would be relevant. 20 men or 3 men - not relevant.
Maybe he had high hopes for this case and the National position in the Media or Politics following it. Dreams die Hard.
Get ready for the new refrain from the talking heads: Let's let Justice work, let's wait and see.
I've heard this more and more on the radio driving thru some big cities. The liberal MSM doesn't want to hear any more now, it led the News every night when it was information incriminating to the players, now when it's information setting the record straight or making people look at this case differently - the refrains are STOP!
Suddenly, discussing the case somehow prohibits a thorough hearing of the evidence in court. Suddenly, who are we to discuss such things - we are Lawyers nor Judges: we have no business hearing all this evidence.
It was predictable, I'm hearing it on the radio, I've heard it on TV. The Newspapers are selecting letters echoing this
sentiment for print. The NACCP is having Press conferences announcing court filings asking for a GAG order.
Think about that - a press conferenece to ask for a Gag order!
PC is the rule at Duke apparently because their spokesperson is quoted as praising the projected increase in diversity.
Duke is so proud that next year a full 40% of the Freshman class will be minorities. No word about how many white males with SAT scores of 1575 were turned down to make room for minority females with SAT scores of 900.
Speaking of discrimination, oops!
I forgot, the fourtheenth amendment, according to both Frances Berry of the US. Civil rights commission, and the Department of Justice does not apply to whites.
I have grown to despise that word....40% of the students will be of minority status. (11% more and they will be the MAJORITY....and then what will they beef about?)
The tenor of recent posts has got me down. Please, people, don't write off Durham...though the place is schizophrenic at times it's not a total hell hole devoid of people with ethics and morals. Remember, many people here followed Nifong's lead only because he abused his position as an elected official supposedly acting in the name of justice and came out so convincingly saying a rape had occurred.
Now that the truth is coming out people who initially thought something was up (myself included, sucker that I was) are talking to friends and spreading the truth. They're on this website and they're looking for ways to help. So don't paint us all with the same brush. And by the way, this is not a Democrat thing. I voted against the b*stard in the primary (as did all my friends) and we fell short. But that doesn't mean we're going to slink into dark corners because we're afraid of being labelled racists. Far from it. I'm not revealing my identity because if this comes to trial, I want to be on that jury. Man. That would be the best thing I ever did in my life, and I've done some amazing, wonderful things.
And another thing, for those convinced that there is a black majority in Durham, remember it's only 44 percent--not a majority last time I checked. Does anyone have access to the race breakdown of registered voters in Durham (which is how jury duty is assigned?) Given that nationwide blacks statistically register to vote less than whites or other minorities, I suspect that the jury would in all probability be a white majority (if the same holds for Durham.) Finally, the blacks who I am friends with are more able to identify with the parents of the players than with the parents of a prostitute (and they're appalled by the excuse that she would do such a thing just to put food on the table. Come on, didn't she hear The Gap is hiring?)I feel comfortable in saying they're not buying her story.
To the poster above: Thanks, you give us some hope when we need it the most.
I wonder when we whites will be considered the minority at colleges such as duke - with the influx of illegal immigrants who will be given instate tuition fees and the rest of minorities given free tuiton by presidents such as broadhead and with the college tuitions rising incremently to pay for these free tuitions soon whites won't be able to afford tuiiton for their children (if they have more than one child) I will be paying 100,00o a year so minority children or illegals can go for 1000 a year? ALSO, How come when presidents such as brodhead talk about disadvantaged youth they don;'t think of poor white children in appalachia like the girl who was the first captured in iraq- she had to go to war to afford college - i didn't see duke or any other college offering her a scholarship - she was poor but i guess the color of her skin (andt he color of skin of the poor whites in north carolina ) didn't count to liberal college presidents ? but blacks and spanish etc.. are given a free ride if they grew up in the ghetto?
and then you get situations like these articles in the philly news where its ok to hate whites or younf women who defend white guys accused of acrime without any evidence - i am starting to confront something i never wanted to - that depite an utter lack of evidence there were always be liberal "journalists" to jump on the white bashing athlete young man bandwagon -can you only imagine if this was a black accused of raping a white? --stephen smith would be villifying the girl ! the us civil rights commision woudl be down nfongs throat and youd have ever news soutlet and govt organizationa dn ever defense atty down in durham -- I wonder what steven smith wrote abotu kobe bryant? and yea, where are all the great civil rights or leadign defense lawyers like the mark geragos etc... ? who never met a crimnal trial he wouldn';t comment on.... yet silently absent in this case?
Check this out! Here is the March 24 interview with the accuser, 11 days after the alleged incident.
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/421799.html
Here is what Nifong did not turn over. The dfense has filed motions for:
1. Trancripts of the first two ID lineups (on March 16 and March 21, if I'm not mistaken).
2. Complete notes from the initial police interviews.
3. Evidence from the cell phone seized in March.
4. The missing portions of the SANE exam.
5. Notes (if any) from the detox center prior to going to Duke Medical Center.
I am a white male Durham resident and first time poster. I have been keeping up with the posts on this site and I wanted to make a few clarifications about how people perceive Durham. Just to be clear, I think Nifong is out of control and I do not support his actions.
In response to the poster who stated “No one wants to send their kids to public school and God help you if you get into even minor trouble in Durham and you are white.” This is just flat out not true. I have lived in Durham my entire life and went to high school at Jordan High School. This is a great public school and was just recently ranked in the top 100 schools in the nation. While growing up in Durham, I can say that I ran into my fare share of trouble. I was able to get through this unscathed with programs offered through the courts. In my experience, Durham is actually much more lenient than many of the surrounding counties.
Many posters have also unfairly attempted to lump Judge Stephens into the corruption that occurs with many of the black leaders in Durham. I do admit that Durham has many problems with its leadership due to the intense racism that exists in the community, but Judge Stephens is not a part of this. I know his entire family very well, and he seems to be the only one who is attempting to prevent this case from becoming a circus. The only thing that he wants is for justice to be served, and I strongly believe that he will make sure that this occurs. Keep faith in him.
My last point is to the posters who think that the trial needs to be moved away from Durham in order for the LAX players to have a chance of being cleared of these horrific charges. This theory has been proven to be untrue in previous cases that have occurred in Durham. About 8 to 10 years ago, there was a case against Michael Seagroves (a white male), of Durham, who shot and killed two black teenagers that had attempted to rob his house one afternoon. Seagroves happened to be home from work that day because his young child was sick, and the robbers fled from the house upon realizing that he was there. While fleeing down the road, the black teens were shot and killed by Seagroves. He was charged with manslaughter because the teens were running away and not posing any direct threat to him. This case blew up into a race war just as this LAX case has; with most blacks wanting his head and most whites thinking that he should be let off. The day of the verdict, there was extra police presence in the schools and on the streets due to the threat of race riots. There ended up being a hung jury, and the DA declined to bring the case to trial again because of the intense racial tension that it created in the community. My point of this story is for the LAX supporters to keep faith in the people of Durham. It is true that there are many people in Durham that would vote to convict these people based solely upon their race, but there are many more highly educated people that will vote based upon the facts of the case. I could not be any more certain that a Durham jury would never convict these kids based upon the facts know today.
Jeff M.
dtownresident@yahoo.com
Here is a copy of a Durham news story about another Rape. The local police department did locate and arrest the suspect... He was jailed under a $150,000.00 bond pending a court appearance Tuesday... This suspect has been charged with rape along with resisting arrest...
Note his bail is substantially lower than the bail for the three Duke Defendants, even though he has a criminal record and resisted arrest.
Man charged with rape
May 28, 2006
A Durham man was charged Saturday with a rape that was alleged to have occurred on May 13, according to warrants.
Carl Vincent Johnson, 38, of 8418 Whippoorwill St., was charged with first-degree rape and resisting arrest Saturday, according to warrants.
Warrants alleged that he attempted to run away as officers were placing him in custody.
Johnson was jailed under a $150,000 secured bond pending a court appearance Tuesday.
The accused in the case is black and has a criminal record.
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/offend1?DOCNUM=0209045&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
In Durham, being black and having a criminal record gets you all the support and attention of the DA not afforded to otherwise law abiding citizens, especially if you are white.
Durham is not the wonderful town they would like people to believe it is. They seem almost embarrassed by having such a prestigious school (Duke) in an area where there are so many poor minorities.
This latest case - a black man, using a gun, rapes a woman and his bail is 1/3 of what it was for the Duke students. This guy has a criminal history that shows he's an habitual offender and certainly not someone you would want in your neighborhood, but the powers that be just shrug their shoulders knowing that there is nothing they can or want to do about making their streets safer.
Any potbangers out there for the woman who was raped by a black man at gunpoint? Of course not - just another hazard of living in the wrong part of Durham.
The poster above wrote this:
"Many posters have also unfairly attempted to lump Judge Stephens into the corruption that occurs with many of the black leaders in Durham. I do admit that Durham has many problems with its leadership due to the intense racism that exists in the community, but Judge Stephens is not a part of this. I know his entire family very well, and he seems to be the only one who is attempting to prevent this case from becoming a circus. The only thing that he wants is for justice to be served, and I strongly believe that he will make sure that this occurs. Keep faith in him."
I do not share your faith in Judge Stephens. He was Nifong's predecessor as DA when Nifong worked as Assistant DA. No doubt they get along great. (I heard they have lunch once a month.) Judge Stephens refused to order Nifong to turn over the cellphone and its contents because that is "something that is supposed to happen voluntarily." He questioned Osborn's request to record everything, although he then granted it. Stephens did NOT admonish Nifong for laughing when Osborn mentioned Seligmann's alibi. (My heart broke for Reade, sitting there and hearing the DA laughing. How could anyone have faith in that judicial system?)
I am sure many Durhamites voted for Nifong because he was "experienced, professional and competent." I am sure those same people had no idea that "absolute power corrupts absolutely." Judge Stephens will no doubt follow in Lance Ito's footsteps. I expect he will totally have Nifong's back in all of this. (Of course, Stephens will spin it that he can't do anything that will create a problem for the trial judge!)
I am the parent of a Duke student not affiliated with the LAX team.
In talking to her and visiting campus, I find that she and her friends believe the boys are innocent.
However, they are somewhat apathetic about the situation for two reasons. First, they expect the 3 boys to be eventually exonerated. Second, they are aware of the LAX team's reputation for rowdy behavior (although this in no way justifies the current witch hunt).
These apathetic students do not realize that legal fees are costing hundreds of thousands, and that the boys are facing lengthy prison time if a miscarriage of justice occurs (which does happen).
If this situation continues through the summer, supporters of the LAX team need to do some serious organizing among returning Duke students, incoming freshmen, and parents of Duke students-- as well as continuing contacts with the news media, Duke alumni and contributors, and sympathetic residents of Durham.
This was posted above, "They seem almost embarrassed by having such a prestigious school (Duke) in an area where there are so many poor minorities."
This was obviously written by somebody whose only impression of Durham is from biased media following this case. The fact is that Duke IS Durham. Duke is, by far, the largest employer in the Durham community. Duke also contributes to many charities in the community as well as donating money and computers to the public schools. Without Duke, Durham would be just another poor town in North Carolina. Instead, it is a thriving hot spot for technology and innovation and has attracted many other businesses to the area (Research Triangle Park).
I agree, Duke and Durham are conjoint. Thus, for better or for worst, they must learn to live with each other. The sooner this saga ends, end the sooner these deep wounds heal, the better it will be for everyone involved. Let us hope that the end is near.
http://www.wral.com/news/9294698/detail.html
"Second Lacrosse Party Dancer Makes Obscene Gesture In Court"
May 30, 2006
DURHAM, N.C. -- A second exotic dancer who performed at a March 13 Duke University lacrosse team party where a woman says she was raped and assaulted by three athletes made an obscene gesture at a television camera during court proceedings on Tuesday.
When Kim Roberts noticed WRAL's camera in the courtroom, she made the gesture and then stuck out her tongue.
Roberts, 31, was in court for a probation hearing on a previous embezzlement charge. She was arrested on March 22 -- eight days after the lacrosse party -- on a probation violation from a 2001 conviction for embezzling $25,000 from a photo-finishing company in Durham where she was a payroll specialist, according to court documents.
The Duke community and Durham have never got along that well. A lot of that is the type of students Duke tends to attract. Duke has a reputation in the state for bringing in some real spoiled brats who have massive sense of entitlement. Most of the kids aren't like that but some are and their attitudes are a big part of the reason you see so much town-gown tension.
It only takes one house of obnoxious students a year to poison how a neighborhood feels about a school and with the number of Duke students who live in the neighborhoods you are bound to have incidents.
"Nifong saw this case as a golden opportunity to ensure re-election and went full bore into it before getting all the facts. Because he'd run his big mouth so much in the opening few days he couldn't back down without hurting himself badly politically in the black community. So he'll continue to pursue this no matter how shaky his evidence is.
Durham has a history of black radical politics. The school board for instance has often had some real out of control people on it.
Oh so it's the spoiled college students who are to blame and not the stone-cold racism of people like the Durham-Sun's John McCann
McCann's moronic musings
McCann's disgusting comments will be helpful when there is a request for change of venue of the trial. Hopefully, things will never reach that stage.
In all fairness, the jury should still be out on Judge Stephens. H e had a no nonsense demeanor at the first hearing. He told the opposing sides to submit an order on the cell phone or he would write his own. By now the defense probably has analyzed it. He did not refuse to lower Reade's bail, he told his lawyer to file a motion on that, which is proper and finally he said he would not move thisa case ahead of others which is only fair. If Nifong is a friend, he is probably asking him what the heck he was thinking and trying to help him find a way to end this.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson130.html
Let's see if Judge Stephens can turn the tide.
Very informative, yet scary article by Anderson on the LewRockwell site. I happened to live in North Carolina during the day care cases and they were absolutely absurd, yet the owners were convicted. The judicial process in NC is corrupt and I very much fear these young men could face the same fate. I pray I am incorrect and that a jury will see through these lies.
How many real victims aren't getting the searches, investigations, and prosecution they deserve because this FRAUD of a case is Durham's Priority number 1?
There are people getting hurt other than the lacrosse players and their families. There's only so much court time, preparation, investigation, and lab time to go around.
This case has even kept the City Manager busy. A least one kid in Durham Died of Lead Poisioning from Durham's Tap water, but Patrick Baker is running around reinterviewing Police that have already filed reports and know how to do their jobs.
The accuser is a black woman, and there's nothing the media loves more than a black victim, especially a woman. conversely, the media abhors black criminals. They almost completely refuse to publish photos of black criminals.
They also refuse to ever mention race if the criminal is black or hispanic, but if the criminal is white it is in the headline.
Readers of the liberal media know that if the race of a criminal is not mentioned he most probably black.
I just heard some people interviewed in Durham on this case on the Radio.
Looks like they are focusing on the CIVIL case. Victoria Petersen was on the Radio and she said she's talked to lawyers in Durham and she's talked to the AV Family.
She said that the one of the people on the lease of the house was EVANS, she intimated that Evan's parents name was on the lease. She said that a 22 year old old invited the strippers and served alcohol to underage men in this same house.
Mrs. Petersen said that the Evan's Mother - a lobbyist in Washington is going to be held financially responsible for the events that happened in that house that night. She mentioned the lower standard in the Civil court and she said the Washington Lawyer Father (that she connected to George Bush's White House) will have to pay for the actions of his son.
Again, she claimed to have spoken with many lawyers and were assured that the AV has a super strong case in civil court. Then she mentioned Duke's liability. She said Duke owned the house and had protected the unlawful players and looked the other way for years, allowing this to happen.
She said Duke would be a defendant in the Civil lawsuit also.
So, you can see where this case is going. The AV, and the black lawyers in her entourage are looking to get super Rich from this case. The Race angle will be used to exploit the jury and move the damages into the ionosphere.
Noticeably absent was the discussion of the CRIMINAL case: by the Durham women speaking.
The families of anyone on the lease of that house better get ready because a SUPER-SIZE lawsuit is coming to a Durham Civil Court near you.
Blacks on that Civil Jury will be eager to hand over more money than the Federal Reserve prints in a decade.
Scary but this was kind of expected. Does this not show what the real motivation of AV is? How would this civil suit affect the criminal one? Can't the families involved protect their money (if they have any left after the lawyer expenses) before the law suit? There has got to be something they can do.
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